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New Pope denounces Russia for attacking Ukraine (Original Post) Nevilledog Saturday OP
Oh snap! tanyev Saturday #1
When is the last time we had a ball buster Pope? tavernier Saturday #2
Awesome, good start. tinrobot Saturday #3
I was surprised to see him in mufti. TomSlick Saturday #25
Not business casual - clerical casual. soldierant Saturday #26
Drump and friends would scold him for not wearing a suit Tribetime Saturday #30
Good. Now if he'd go after trump for shaking Ukraine down when they need help. Silent Type Saturday #4
Not to piss on everyone's parade....well, yeah I'm going to piss on it.... Xolodno Saturday #5
The message is for the world, not Putin. Irish_Dem Saturday #6
Exactly. Nevilledog Saturday #7
I didn't invoke Putin. Xolodno Saturday #13
We will never get a honest poll BidenRocks Saturday #29
And the date of Easter. NT anamnua Saturday #8
That and Christmas. Xolodno Saturday #11
I don't care what the Russians think Nictuku Saturday #10
"Russians can go fuck themselves" Xolodno Saturday #15
I understand all that, and I would like to apologize to you, specifically Nictuku Saturday #17
Well done Arthur_Frain Saturday #22
Thank you, and I appreciate that. Xolodno Saturday #27
I missed that actually (I don't read or understand Russian) Nictuku Saturday #32
There is nothing more versatile in the Russian language Aviation Pro Saturday #20
If they didn't care that Putin murdered 307 of them in 1999, then why would they care about what the pope says, right? ck4829 Saturday #24
And a forth one Polybius Saturday #34
This woke pope is no joke! Grim Chieftain Saturday #9
I pray that he is safe duhneece Saturday #12
I don't pray, but I wish him the best and hope that he can help improve this world. erronis Saturday #14
Oh that's Gotta BURN the Swarmy Putin Cha Saturday #16
I like him more and more. highplainsdem Saturday #18
I think this must be from before he was made Pope muriel_volestrangler Saturday #19
That is good to see! Thank you Pope Leo! liberalla Saturday #21
Love him already Evolve Dammit Saturday #23
Not pulling any punches is he! Fla Dem Saturday #28
Is it possible this is from the past. Raven123 Saturday #31
This isn't going to go over well with the Orange Pope. dem4decades Saturday #33

tinrobot

(11,540 posts)
3. Awesome, good start.
Sat May 10, 2025, 04:00 PM
Saturday

I notice he's not really wearing his fancy pope robe, looks more like business casual or something.

Kinda like it, makes him a bit more human less of a figurehead.

soldierant

(8,483 posts)
26. Not business casual - clerical casual.
Sat May 10, 2025, 06:19 PM
Saturday

The clerical collar is clear, and the black looks to me like a robe - a plain one that you might see on any priest anywhere.

Xolodno

(6,988 posts)
5. Not to piss on everyone's parade....well, yeah I'm going to piss on it....
Sat May 10, 2025, 04:21 PM
Saturday

Russia is Orthodox and couldn't give a shit about the what Papacy in Rome says.

The Greek Orthodox Patriarch is considered the first amongst equals, but everyone knows the Russian Patriarch of Moscow is the real power behind the Orthodox throne. He and the Pope are for all intents and purposes are considered equal rivals.

The only two differences between the Catholic and Orthodox churches are, one, who heads the church and two the type of hats they wear. Oh, there is a third one I forgot, how they cross themselves.

Irish_Dem

(69,463 posts)
6. The message is for the world, not Putin.
Sat May 10, 2025, 04:38 PM
Saturday

The US has been siding with Russia.

The pope is setting the record straight.

Xolodno

(6,988 posts)
11. That and Christmas.
Sat May 10, 2025, 04:43 PM
Saturday

Small little things that don't really mean anything, but enough to call each other the Anti-Christ since 1054.

Nictuku

(4,195 posts)
10. I don't care what the Russians think
Sat May 10, 2025, 04:42 PM
Saturday

I'm loving this voice of sanity in how it (may) influence the rest of the world, including America, and their leaders.

I am non-religious myself, but I already really like this guy for speaking what is an obvious truth. I hope his message goes far and wide and sinks in and helps to make a difference.

Russians can go fuck themselves.

Xolodno

(6,988 posts)
15. "Russians can go fuck themselves"
Sat May 10, 2025, 04:55 PM
Saturday

Well, since I'm Russian let me put it this way...

Иди нахуй себя

I like this liberal Pope as well (and believe me, I'm no fan of the Russian Orthodox Church). Just pointing out that among those in Orthodoxy, the Pope has very little if any influence (and that just doesn't include Russia, but its worldwide, they've despised each other since the year 1054). And you should care about who is the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, the Pope has the ear of many leaders around the world, but so does the Patriarch.

When the Pope and he meet, its usually on the down low and the official reason is usually a nothing burger. But everyone knows when it happens, some serious shit went down and they had to meet to fix the problem.

Nictuku

(4,195 posts)
17. I understand all that, and I would like to apologize to you, specifically
Sat May 10, 2025, 05:16 PM
Saturday

I painted with a much too wide brush. As with any group of people, there are good and bad among them. I should have made a more succinct statement, such as: Russians (who support Putin) can go fuck themselves. While I understand that many Russians, living in Russia, have been brainwashed and propagandized to the point where they don't seem to be able to understand the truth of the matter (either that, or they have zero empathy).

I can use that same paintbrush against Americans (who support Trump). At least here, we have a label to make it easier: MAGAs.

Again, I am sorry. I KNOW there are good, decent Russians (some living in Russia). And the poverty and crime/corruption that they have to deal with is horrific. One of them is this guy who's videos I regularly watch: Vasya in the Hay. This guy uses his youtube channel to go out to these abandoned villages and assist the elderly and babushkas who are living in the worst kind of poverty you can imagine. That guy, that Russian, is a hero in my eyes. Here is a link to his channel if anyone is interested:
https://www.youtube.com/@vasyainthehay

So, for the third time (I hope this shows how embarrassed I am for my thoughtless statement), I am sorry, and I can understand how it could offend.

The other main thing that I have learned from many of the Ukraine Reports etc. that I follow, is that the Russian Orthodoxed Church is really just another arm of the FSB. I don't think it is an honest religion (I'm not sure if any are, but I don't see others blessing bombs that are going to be used to kill civilians)

Maluhia (Peace)

Xolodno

(6,988 posts)
27. Thank you, and I appreciate that.
Sat May 10, 2025, 06:20 PM
Saturday

But sad to say, kind of used to it, all the way back to the Cold War era. Many Western and Central Europeans consider us just a whiter version of Mongols. Granted I'm a part of exiles from a century ago from the Tsar, but we managed to keep our heritage, language, customs, etc. (of course recent Russians who have left look at me funny sometimes when we speak the language, sounds like I'm speaking the kings English because the dialect is so old).

Worked to my advantage when I was touring France and Italy, scammers backed away from me when I started speaking Russian, one even said, "oh shit, you're Russian". Didn't work so well in Egypt, apparently, a lot of Russians visit there and the government in Moscow helps quite a bit. Too bad my wife who is half Iranian didn't know any words from her heritage (yes I know, two groups of people trying to kill each other for centuries...get married).

As for the Russian Orthodox Church, yes, they have influence in the government again, but nowhere near at the level of the time of the Tsar. So don't take too much stock in that. And the war is definately being fueled by propoganda, but most don't realize what is fueling the propoganda, its paranoia. Not saying its right or justified. But I do understand it and how it can be manipulated. One thing I've learned in life, we often only have half the story, which is often quite true in every nation. I've traveled enough and met enough people to see and understand different perspectives.

Oh and I apologize for telling you "to go fuck yourself" in Russian. There is actually a few different ways to say that in the language, go figure.

Nictuku

(4,195 posts)
32. I missed that actually (I don't read or understand Russian)
Sat May 10, 2025, 07:37 PM
Saturday

But I kind of guessed it wasn't something nice.

Can you tell me what 'Vasya in the Hay' means? I've been curious about that ever since I started watching his videos a couple years ago.

I'm glad you accepted my apology, I honestly felt terrible when I read your response. I will definitely be more thoughtful in my posts. In my mind, what I was thinking when I said it, was the "Russian Warship, go fuck yourself' kind of thing. I was strictly 'thinking' about the war with Ukraine, specifically the pro-invasion of Ukraine Russians (Z Patriots? is that a good label for them?). But just because I was 'thinking' it doesn't mean it comes across in my typed words.

I also want to mention that I am envious (in a good way) of the description of your travels in your life. I've only been to Tijuana and Toronto as far as traveling to another country. I've been all over the US, and grew up in Hawaii, which is a cultural melting pot.

I think a big part of our problems (in the US) is that a lot of people never leave their 'neck of the woods', and end up with very closed minds.

duhneece

(4,350 posts)
12. I pray that he is safe
Sat May 10, 2025, 04:44 PM
Saturday

I pray he’ll keep speaking up like this and remains healthy and safe.

erronis

(19,567 posts)
14. I don't pray, but I wish him the best and hope that he can help improve this world.
Sat May 10, 2025, 04:49 PM
Saturday

Our basic sentiments are probably very closely aligned.

muriel_volestrangler

(103,594 posts)
19. I think this must be from before he was made Pope
Sat May 10, 2025, 05:25 PM
Saturday

He's in standard clerical dress, and Popes just don't do that - he's already showed he's fine with the impressive robes. It also just comes from a TikTok account "@scrollfuels", and there's no way an anonymous TikTok account could score an interview with the new Pope that quickly.

From about 2 years ago - it looks like this section starting about 9:30:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?ref=watch_permalink&v=696183591528026

There, Semanario Expresión says it was 29 years old, now, it says 31: http://semanarioexpresion.com/Presentacion/index.php

liberalla

(10,467 posts)
21. That is good to see! Thank you Pope Leo!
Sat May 10, 2025, 05:46 PM
Saturday

I doubt this was recorded since since his "inauguration", but I bet he has the same views now as he did then! (If not stronger!)

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