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Dennis Donovan

(30,866 posts)
Sun May 11, 2025, 10:17 AM Yesterday

Alejandra Caraballo: Beyond the open bribery, it's insane to use a foreign gifted jet as AF1 from a security standpoint

Alejandra Caraballo
‪@esqueer.net‬
Beyond the open bribery, it's insane to use a foreign gifted jet as Air Force One from a security standpoint alone.

‪Ahmed Baba‬
‪@ahmedbaba.bsky.social‬
2h
The foreign emoluments clause was written to prevent exactly this. Blatantly unconstitutional

May 11, 2025 at 10:03 AM


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Alejandra Caraballo: Beyond the open bribery, it's insane to use a foreign gifted jet as AF1 from a security standpoint (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Yesterday OP
That was my first thought dsc Yesterday #1
Fourth thread about this ABC News article. At least this one includes some other commentary. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #2
It's his palace, johnnyfins Yesterday #3
I think the security concern is that it will certainly be chock full of surveilance equipment. Orrex 23 hrs ago #5
I don't think the Air Force will fly it Historic NY 23 hrs ago #18
It would be a shame if it crashed and killed him and his entire cabinet Orrex 23 hrs ago #4
Yes a damn shame. mountain grammy 23 hrs ago #11
Heartbreaking and a damn shame. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #30
What if it did a flaming kamikaze directly into Mar-a lago? FSogol 21 hrs ago #32
I would cry Blue Owl 12 hrs ago #35
Stretching the emoluments clause past the breaking point...again. hay rick 23 hrs ago #6
What emoluments clause? Trueblue Texan 23 hrs ago #7
He is never going to build a library johnnyfins 22 hrs ago #23
He will for sure fund raise for a library. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #31
I thought all gifts to a us president were automatically the property of the govt. Karadeniz 23 hrs ago #8
Considering how many Russian and Iranian eavesdropping devices and how much extra transmitting software will be aboard DFW 23 hrs ago #14
Lawsuit needed now to clarify all these issues.... Karadeniz 23 hrs ago #21
That would be a waste of time until January 20, 2029 in the afternoon. DFW 22 hrs ago #28
I Believe You Are Right erpowers 23 hrs ago #16
Yes. Let's all remember the HUGE stink the GOP made back when the Clintons GoCubsGo 23 hrs ago #22
This whole gift-to-POTUS topic is confusing as hell. allegorical oracle 20 hrs ago #34
It's only a security problem if you actually care about such things. patphil 23 hrs ago #9
A gold toilet and a high flow, high pressure shower. hunter 22 hrs ago #27
He'll be the ranking member TommyT139 21 hrs ago #33
Yup, but as stated "open bribery". republianmushroom 23 hrs ago #10
And I imagine the Saudis won't get any special treatment in return. Right? (wink, wink) Vinca 23 hrs ago #12
How do you think those folders in the MAL toilet turned up empty? ❤️ littlemissmartypants 23 hrs ago #19
All gifts are the property of the people of the United States. Historic NY 23 hrs ago #13
meanwhile, you little girls need to stick to two dolls Skittles 23 hrs ago #15
I dream of the day it's confiscated on behalf of the American people. ❤️ littlemissmartypants 23 hrs ago #17
Fully equipped with the most up-to-date surveillance devices, Sogo 23 hrs ago #20
Our reputation is shot. We're done as leader of anything for a very long time. I hate this creature, named Trump. Joinfortmill 22 hrs ago #24
Oh for the days when the open bribery was enough in itself. UTUSN 22 hrs ago #25
Based upon current delivery date of planes - Nigrum Cattus 22 hrs ago #26
EMP protection, flare launchers, aerial refueling, secure communications? LastDemocratInSC 22 hrs ago #29
Remember when Putin gave him a soccer ball in Helsinki? Ruby the Liberal 3 hrs ago #36

dsc

(52,903 posts)
1. That was my first thought
Sun May 11, 2025, 10:22 AM
Yesterday

In the 1980's the Soviets bugged our newly built embassy (as it was being built). That was a huge thing. Given the much better ability to hide bugs now vs then, the plane would be the biggest security risk imaginable.

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,457 posts)
2. Fourth thread about this ABC News article. At least this one includes some other commentary. . . . . nt
Sun May 11, 2025, 10:23 AM
Yesterday

Orrex

(65,135 posts)
5. I think the security concern is that it will certainly be chock full of surveilance equipment.
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:15 PM
23 hrs ago

Everything discussed aboard Air Farce 1 will be recorded for/transmitted to anyone who pays the buy-in to listen.

Historic NY

(38,975 posts)
18. I don't think the Air Force will fly it
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:38 PM
23 hrs ago

because it has no precautions or even communications. It is a huge target

hay rick

(8,686 posts)
6. Stretching the emoluments clause past the breaking point...again.
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:15 PM
23 hrs ago

The fact that the gift will be used by only one president and then added to his "library" makes the bribery obvious...not that anybody had a moment of doubt.

Irish_Dem

(69,463 posts)
31. He will for sure fund raise for a library.
Sun May 11, 2025, 02:00 PM
21 hrs ago

Last edited Sun May 11, 2025, 05:57 PM - Edit history (1)

And pocket the cash.

DFW

(57,945 posts)
14. Considering how many Russian and Iranian eavesdropping devices and how much extra transmitting software will be aboard
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:36 PM
23 hrs ago

I think the question can be legitimately posed: property of WHICH government?

DFW

(57,945 posts)
28. That would be a waste of time until January 20, 2029 in the afternoon.
Sun May 11, 2025, 01:23 PM
22 hrs ago

Bondi would block any action over which she had jurisdiction, and the Supremes would block any conviction that managed to squeak by her. If things go any further, I'll have to start referring to her as Бонди.

erpowers

(9,420 posts)
16. I Believe You Are Right
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:37 PM
23 hrs ago

The problem is that rules and laws do not matter if someone does not want to abide by them and those that are supposed to hold that person accountable have no desire to hold him accountable. I am fairly certain the Republicans in Congress will go along with Trump taking this plane. That is the real problem. Trump knows that as long as the Republicans are in charge of Congress he can get away with anything and everything. Democrats need to gain control of Congress.

GoCubsGo

(33,799 posts)
22. Yes. Let's all remember the HUGE stink the GOP made back when the Clintons
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:48 PM
23 hrs ago

took some furniture on their way out that they thought was gifted to them. They were forced to give it back. The fucking hypocrite Republicans raged about it for years afterward. Apparently, the whole gifts thing doesn't apply to them.

allegorical oracle

(4,849 posts)
34. This whole gift-to-POTUS topic is confusing as hell.
Sun May 11, 2025, 02:59 PM
20 hrs ago

NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION
WASHINGTON, DC
As the highest representative of the people and government, the President accepts gifts on behalf of the United States of America. The phenomenon, as old as the Presidency itself, grows with each administration: Today a President may receive 15,000 gifts a year. They come from every state in the nation and every country in the world. Gifts from foreign leaders continue a rich diplomatic tradition of exchange between heads of state; those from citizens, both Americans and others, symbolize an inherently democratic exercise - ordinary people freely addressing, in every manner and form, the President of the United States.
.
https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/tokens_and_treasures/tokens_and_treasures_home.html

On the other hand, Public Citizen says this:

Employees of the Executive Branch are subject to regulations related to gifts that they may accept. The term “gift” refers to any gratuity, favor, discount, entertainment, hospitality, loan or other item having monetary value. In particular, the term includes services as well as gifts of training, transportation, local travel, lodgings and meals, whether provided in-kind, by purchase of a ticket, payment in advance, or reimbursement after the expense has been incurred.

A gift is deemed to be ‘solicited’ if it is from a person other than an employee and would not have been solicited, offered, or given had the employee not held the status, authority or duties associated with his Federal position.

In general, an employee of the Executive Branch may accept a gift only if it is unsolicited and the:

-Favors or benefits are not offered under circumstances that might be construed by reasonable persons as influencing the performance of their governmental duties;

--Gift is not cash or a cash equivalent (e.g. stocks and bonds);

--Gift is valued at $20 or less; and the

--Aggregate value of gifts from one source in a calendar year is less than $50.

https://www.citizen.org/article/gift-rules-for-the-executive-branch/

So it's confusing whether he can keep such an expensive gift or not. But whether it's considered a "solicited gift" or not may be a key clue.

patphil

(7,788 posts)
9. It's only a security problem if you actually care about such things.
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:30 PM
23 hrs ago

Trump only sees the opulence and the idea that he'll be the first American president to have a flying Royal Throne Room.

hunter

(39,484 posts)
27. A gold toilet and a high flow, high pressure shower.
Sun May 11, 2025, 01:21 PM
22 hrs ago

Which will only increase the amount of fuel burned hauling the Fuckwit King and his entourage of assholes around.

Sogo

(6,232 posts)
20. Fully equipped with the most up-to-date surveillance devices,
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:41 PM
23 hrs ago

so Qatar can stay abreast of US top secret intelligence matters that might be discussed on-board....You didn't really think this gift was FREE, did you Donny?

Joinfortmill

(17,982 posts)
24. Our reputation is shot. We're done as leader of anything for a very long time. I hate this creature, named Trump.
Sun May 11, 2025, 01:10 PM
22 hrs ago

Nigrum Cattus

(509 posts)
26. Based upon current delivery date of planes -
Sun May 11, 2025, 01:12 PM
22 hrs ago

They will never be "ready" in time.
It's been 10 years to build the current 2 in production.
Also, the current 2 planes were actually ordered by a
russian company and never delivered. russia, russia, russia

Ruby the Liberal

(26,432 posts)
36. Remember when Putin gave him a soccer ball in Helsinki?
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:34 AM
3 hrs ago

Everyone was (rightfully) flipping out about possible embedded electronics.

Seems like a whole plane full of them might raise some eyebrows - but not a single MSM article is highlighting this, much less making it the headline (or even lede).

Its all about the bribe and radio silence on the national security implications.

And it isn't about Qatar - I would say the same thing if it came from Five (er, Four) eyes. He is too unstable NOT to be trying to get a step ahead of him.

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