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Bernardo de La Paz

(55,457 posts)
Sun May 11, 2025, 10:55 AM Yesterday

How do we know ICE abductions are racist? Employers are never arrested

Demographics of abductees aside (they are important), when ICE/FBI or undercover militia raid a place like a bar on Broadway or any place of employment, they never arrest the employer or managers. There is no followup to find and arrest employers or company owners.

Employing people without proper documentation breaks the law.

Employing people without asking for proper documentation breaks the law.

Employers tend to fit the demographic that the racist, wealth-worshipping tRump regime feels most comfortable with: rich white males. If they are rich, they also tend to be given a pass. Tends two out of three, but "white" tends to trump all other considerations.

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Blue Full Moon

(2,117 posts)
3. That's the problem
Sun May 11, 2025, 11:00 AM
Yesterday

That is one of the things that Mexico has wanted the United States to do. Should have been done first. Arrest and put out of business any who hire undocumented workers.

MichMan

(15,077 posts)
11. Agreed
Sun May 11, 2025, 12:27 PM
23 hrs ago

In addition, if employers didn't want to face jail, anyone undocumented who was already here, even for decades, would shortly be fired and rendered unemployable. Once faced with poverty, homelessness and hunger, the vast majority and their families would be forced to self deport rather quickly.

The penalties for using or knowingly accepting falsified documents needs to be increased substantially as well.

David__77

(24,059 posts)
5. They don't even require employers to use e-verify.
Sun May 11, 2025, 11:09 AM
Yesterday

This is not about ending the presence of the undocumented labor market- not at all.

allegorical oracle

(4,849 posts)
17. Believe it's used fairly often in Fla. When I had my roof replace (Helena got me), I
Sun May 11, 2025, 04:06 PM
19 hrs ago

asked the roofing owner if all his workers were legal. He said they were. Was purely selfish on my part because I didn't really care, but figured the job might not get done if ICE swooped in on my job after I'd already waited four months. Those guys worked their butts off -- done in one day.

moniss

(7,226 posts)
7. Here in Wisconsin a few years ago there was a major bust
Sun May 11, 2025, 11:29 AM
Yesterday

of an operation that had hundreds of migrant workers basically as prisoners of their "contractor" bosses and the farms. The bust happened but few in Wisconsin knew of it at the time. I was in Minnesota and saw it in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. I was back in Wisconsin the next day and looked in our major statewide paper the Journal-Sentinel and there was nothing. I looked back a day and there was nothing. I followed for several days and still nothing. Wealthy people can keep things out of the paper too.

A concentrated feeding operation not far from me was notoriously short staffing and overworking their laborers. In response the owners were allowing the children of workers to operate equipment. One little boy was killed by a skid loader. Despite an investigation nothing was done and everybody claimed they didn't know anything. It was suspected that the workers had all been pressured not to say anything. So the owner just skated away free.

Attilatheblond

(5,861 posts)
10. Thinking back to Halliburton' contract workers cleaning up after Katrina
Sun May 11, 2025, 11:58 AM
23 hrs ago

Way more people than trailers were designed to home, locked in when off work, many never paid.

Let me think back... Who was VP back then, and still getting bonus payments from Halliburton?

Mosby

(18,455 posts)
8. Arizona car wash chain owner and managers sentenced in company-wide scheme to employ unauthorized aliens
Sun May 11, 2025, 11:45 AM
Yesterday
All 14 defendants pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit identity theft

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/arizona-car-wash-chain-owner-and-managers-sentenced-company-wide-scheme-employ

The key fact here is that the management was actively involved in faking legal documents, so they couldn't claim they didn't know, but they did spend time in prison.

Bernardo de La Paz

(55,457 posts)
9. Good find. The "exception that proves the rule"? And was 2014
Sun May 11, 2025, 11:48 AM
Yesterday

Certainly shows it can be done, though it seems to take a blatant case to rise to the level of prosecution.

We've had two tRump terms (one in progress) since then, with attendant slow-walking, backtracking and avoidance of the issue.

erronis

(19,567 posts)
15. The real scum of the employer class are offered cabinet positions, or perhap an ambassadorship.
Sun May 11, 2025, 01:51 PM
22 hrs ago

Warpy

(113,349 posts)
16. Of course they're based on skin color and largely based on Spanish as a first language
Sun May 11, 2025, 02:52 PM
21 hrs ago

I haven't heard of many Irish undocumented workers in New England being rousted at 3 AM by warrantless, no knock thuggery.

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