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moonshinegnomie

(3,339 posts)
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:24 AM 5 hrs ago

moron surrenders to china in trade war

hes dropping his 125% tariff on china to 10% and in return china is dropping their reciprical tariff to the same.

so all he did was raise the cost of chinese imports 10%

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moron surrenders to china in trade war (Original Post) moonshinegnomie 5 hrs ago OP
I agree. this is still not a win for any of us. we still are having to pay more Javaman 5 hrs ago #1
Nope.. They sold their stock on the day he announced the tariffs. They bought it back this weekend. LiberalArkie 3 hrs ago #30
Pump and dump stock market for insiders...rinse and repeat JT45242 5 hrs ago #2
I think that's a good part of the point of this charade. nt Susan Calvin 4 hrs ago #18
I think he's so stupid he really believed manufacturing would come running back Maru Kitteh 3 hrs ago #22
No. Post #2: "Pump and dump stock market for insiders..." He knows exactly what he's doing. Auggie 3 hrs ago #23
Yeah no. He's more of an evil conduit than an evil genius. OTHER PEOPLE Maru Kitteh 3 hrs ago #28
He's living in a weird dream, a horrible nightmare for the rest of us. Dave Bowman 3 hrs ago #24
Empty ports and semi trucks got too scary. Wingus Dingus 5 hrs ago #3
Those numbers are probably going to change again soon. Omnipresent 5 hrs ago #4
Damage will last for a long time, all for nothing. Irish_Dem 5 hrs ago #5
This might all be about paying for tax cuts Renew Deal 5 hrs ago #6
such a worthless POS.... democratsruletheday 5 hrs ago #7
And the bond market...? littlemissmartypants 4 hrs ago #8
Wonder if favorite daughter and son-in-law mwmisses4289 4 hrs ago #9
Krasnov will declare victory gab13by13 4 hrs ago #10
How many millions were tucked away in his personal bank account to make these deals oldmanlynn 4 hrs ago #11
I believe the U.S. dropped tariffs to 30%, and China dropped tariffs to 10%--both for 90 days only. Ol Janx Spirit 4 hrs ago #12
Please remember that on some China goods the amount could be over 30%. Sun-Moon 3 hrs ago #21
Yes, this is absolutely true and an excellent point. Before the drop this weekend I've seen Ol Janx Spirit 10 min ago #39
Ask a Republican: How will this encourage companies to build factories in the US? DetlefK 4 hrs ago #13
Typical. He creates chaos and problems, reverses himself, then takes credit for solving the problem. surfered 4 hrs ago #14
Exactly right Rebl2 3 hrs ago #32
Moronomics Kid Berwyn 4 hrs ago #15
The problem is, there is already a delay Johonny 4 hrs ago #16
He's on claiming "victory" now... Wounded Bear 4 hrs ago #17
I believe it was 145% dropped to 30% on imports and china would drop theirs Ray Bruns 4 hrs ago #19
He just isn't that bright. When his car had a flat tire, he thought an oil change would fix the problem. chouchou 4 hrs ago #20
He didn't just do that swong19104 3 hrs ago #25
But how many manufacturing jobs did he create here in the US? IronLionZion 3 hrs ago #26
In his mind or in reality? I'm sure he will say he has a line of people he wont name Ol Janx Spirit 1 min ago #40
G.O.P. Surrender Monkey in Chief BoRaGard 3 hrs ago #27
There will be a lot more to it than that. Littlered 3 hrs ago #29
Supposedly Rebl2 3 hrs ago #31
Trump's creating "solutions" to problems he created, and the "solutions" are still worse than the previous status quo. Efilroft Sul 3 hrs ago #33
It did, as expected, BECAUSE it was expected -- a self-fullfilling expectation William Seger 3 hrs ago #35
Oh, I'm sure he got some niggling little detail in return Warpy 3 hrs ago #34
He's looks weak to the whole world, and he looks pathetic for doing a strongman act when he caves under any pressure. Doodley 3 hrs ago #36
"Instead of beating the crap out of you, I point an angry finger." What a loser. usonian 2 hrs ago #37
Out played and out dealt. Some deal maker. republianmushroom 1 hr ago #38

Javaman

(63,792 posts)
1. I agree. this is still not a win for any of us. we still are having to pay more
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:28 AM
5 hrs ago

but maybe that was the mission. forced inflation to help his corporate buddies

LiberalArkie

(18,153 posts)
30. Nope.. They sold their stock on the day he announced the tariffs. They bought it back this weekend.
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:44 AM
3 hrs ago

JT45242

(3,297 posts)
2. Pump and dump stock market for insiders...rinse and repeat
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:29 AM
5 hrs ago

MTG plus a bunch of cabinet flunkies and donors will make a lot of money using various pump/dump and short sells every time mango Mussolini opens his mouth on tariffs

Maru Kitteh

(30,157 posts)
22. I think he's so stupid he really believed manufacturing would come running back
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:20 AM
3 hrs ago

and people would be okay with paying $35 for a pack of toilet paper and the kids having two Barbies and five pencils while he took delivery of a massive jetliner dripping with gold.

He really believed it.

Auggie

(32,278 posts)
23. No. Post #2: "Pump and dump stock market for insiders..." He knows exactly what he's doing.
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:26 AM
3 hrs ago

Maru Kitteh

(30,157 posts)
28. Yeah no. He's more of an evil conduit than an evil genius. OTHER PEOPLE
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:39 AM
3 hrs ago

know “exactly what they’re doing” and those people make sure to keep him fluffed up at all times with plenty of grift so they can get what they want, too.

He’s just not very smart.

Omnipresent

(6,874 posts)
4. Those numbers are probably going to change again soon.
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:32 AM
5 hrs ago

It just takes a few talking heads to say he’s made a bad deal. Then we’re back to square one again.

Renew Deal

(83,893 posts)
6. This might all be about paying for tax cuts
Mon May 12, 2025, 08:34 AM
5 hrs ago

These guys often misdirect and love to use known vulnerabilities for some other purpose.

Trump lost the trade war and got nothing except a 10% tax hike on everyone.

littlemissmartypants

(27,592 posts)
8. And the bond market...?
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:22 AM
4 hrs ago

Business on a 90-day timeline isn't good business.

Expand the grift, bake in uncertainty, stress out the attentive & bamboozle the stupid.

The 'price mark-up before the discount' trick with more market manipulation, only this time, Chinese investors can cash in, too.

Crimes in waves.

❤️RESIST!! ✊️

mwmisses4289

(1,038 posts)
9. Wonder if favorite daughter and son-in-law
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:23 AM
4 hrs ago

finally got it through its stupid skull that no shipments and high tariffs on China meant none of their pos stuff that is made in China would be coming here? It is all about making money any way it can, by whatever means it can.

gab13by13

(28,025 posts)
10. Krasnov will declare victory
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:24 AM
4 hrs ago

for going back to the way it was before he fucked it up and many people will cheer him as a great businessman.

China's exports to the US are 3 times greater than what the US exports to China.

Cutting back to 10% tariffs was a huge caving in on Krasnov's part. The only people who benefitted were the people who played the stock market. All of this was self-imposed by Krasnov.

oldmanlynn

(653 posts)
11. How many millions were tucked away in his personal bank account to make these deals
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:25 AM
4 hrs ago

I guess we won’t find out about that for many years to come, but I am sure that he’s profiting from these negotiations in some fashion

Ol Janx Spirit

(182 posts)
12. I believe the U.S. dropped tariffs to 30%, and China dropped tariffs to 10%--both for 90 days only.
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:36 AM
4 hrs ago

30% is still a really high tariff and will have an enormous impact on prices here. Not as much as 145% of course which sparked fears of empty shelves, but a 30% tariff still makes any import from China still cost almost a third more. That will be noticeable on the shelves, and there will still be products that do not come to our shores because of the burden on manufacturers.

The thing this signals loud and clear however is: don't bother planning to build a factory and make your products more expensively in the U.S. to avoid future tariffs. By the time you do get it up and running you will be vastly undercut by foreign competitors that now face no or very low tariffs because either this Administration or the next dropped them.

This current move makes it much harder to actually figure out the goal and the strategy here. But maybe that is giving them too much credit.

Sun-Moon

(173 posts)
21. Please remember that on some China goods the amount could be over 30%.
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:17 AM
3 hrs ago

The way I understand this new agreement is the original tariffs from first Trump administration is still in effect. So it will be
Original duty + 7.5-25% first term increase + 20% fentanyl increase + 10% reciprocal tariff(90 days pause). So you could see over a 50% tariff on some goods.
This is still very high for small businesses.

Ol Janx Spirit

(182 posts)
39. Yes, this is absolutely true and an excellent point. Before the drop this weekend I've seen
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:04 PM
10 min ago

stories of companies paying over 180% tariffs because of this--so the 30% is quite misleading. China also implemented export controls on some products and rare earth metals, so that could always factor into the equation. None of this is good news for the American consumer or businesses--it is only less bad than it was last week. And good luck planning if you are a business of any kind....

surfered

(6,618 posts)
14. Typical. He creates chaos and problems, reverses himself, then takes credit for solving the problem.
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:50 AM
4 hrs ago

Johonny

(23,554 posts)
16. The problem is, there is already a delay
Mon May 12, 2025, 09:53 AM
4 hrs ago

In shipping. And anyone that can wait longer will, because the tariffs keeps getting smaller. Why buy now when it probably will get cheaper later

Ray Bruns

(5,190 posts)
19. I believe it was 145% dropped to 30% on imports and china would drop theirs
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:12 AM
4 hrs ago

From 125% to 10%.

So actually a 30% increase.

chouchou

(1,856 posts)
20. He just isn't that bright. When his car had a flat tire, he thought an oil change would fix the problem.
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:13 AM
4 hrs ago

swong19104

(410 posts)
25. He didn't just do that
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:28 AM
3 hrs ago

Due to the prior high tariff rate, no cargo came into US ports. So port workers are laid off. And truckers. And others all along the supply chain. Some of those have found other jobs. Some moved away. And others who may return to work won’t actually work for another two months because cargo ships don’t just magically appear at port, fully laden with a new shipment.

Ol Janx Spirit

(182 posts)
40. In his mind or in reality? I'm sure he will say he has a line of people he wont name
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:13 PM
1 min ago

coming to him with tears in their eyes saying thank you.....

Littlered

(246 posts)
29. There will be a lot more to it than that.
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:40 AM
3 hrs ago

I don’t know how much you know about them. But tariffs are only part of the overall equation. Via previous trade deals, we have been shut out entirely from out a lot of markets. Until the final details are released, we aren’t going to truly know one way or the other how it’s gonna work out. This is one of the reasons he has hit so many of our trading partners with these astronomical tariffs. Taken at their face value many of them look good on the surface but when you pull back the layers you see we are getting screwed. With that being said. I’ll never underestimate his ability to fubar. He has a talent in that way.

Efilroft Sul

(3,999 posts)
33. Trump's creating "solutions" to problems he created, and the "solutions" are still worse than the previous status quo.
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:52 AM
3 hrs ago

Of course, the markets would react exuberantly.

William Seger

(11,599 posts)
35. It did, as expected, BECAUSE it was expected -- a self-fullfilling expectation
Mon May 12, 2025, 11:02 AM
3 hrs ago

A lot of people are trying to jump back in before the expected surge peaks.

Warpy

(113,352 posts)
34. Oh, I'm sure he got some niggling little detail in return
Mon May 12, 2025, 10:55 AM
3 hrs ago

Chinese business negotiations have been described as "brutal" and "utterly ruthless" by people I know who have taken part in them. I would expect the Chinese to roll right over these amateurs.

King Dimwit will, of course, preen, strut, and boast of the great deals he made.

Doodley

(10,864 posts)
36. He's looks weak to the whole world, and he looks pathetic for doing a strongman act when he caves under any pressure.
Mon May 12, 2025, 11:04 AM
3 hrs ago

usonian

(17,536 posts)
37. "Instead of beating the crap out of you, I point an angry finger." What a loser.
Mon May 12, 2025, 11:51 AM
2 hrs ago




Trump got a cargo ship full of Kung Pao Poopy Paper!

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