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In It to Win It

(10,539 posts)
Mon May 12, 2025, 01:51 PM 5 hrs ago

Episcopal Church refuses to resettle white Afrikaners, ends partnership with US government

(RNS) — In a striking move that ends a nearly four-decades-old relationship between the federal government and the Episcopal Church, the denomination announced on Monday (May 12) that it is terminating its partnership with the government to resettle refugees, citing moral opposition to resettling white Afrikaners from South Africa who have been classified as refugees by President Donald Trump’s administration.

In a letter sent to members of the church, the Most Rev. Sean W. Rowe — the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church — said that two weeks ago the government “informed Episcopal Migration Ministries that under the terms of our federal grant, we are expected to resettle white Afrikaners from South Africa whom the U.S. government has classified as refugees.”

The request, Rowe said, crossed a moral line for the Episcopal Church, which is part of the global Anglican Communion that boasts among its leaders the late Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a celebrated and vocal opponent of apartheid in South Africa.

“In light of our church’s steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church of Southern Africa, we are not able to take this step,” Rowe wrote. “Accordingly, we have determined that, by the end of the federal fiscal year, we will conclude our refugee resettlement grant agreements with the U.S. federal government.”

Rowe stressed that while Episcopal Migration Ministries will seek to “wind down all federally funded services by the end of the federal fiscal year in September,” the denomination will continue to support immigrants and refugees in other ways, such as offering aid to refugees who have already been resettled.

https://religionnews.com/2025/05/12/episcopal-church-ends-refugee-resettlement-citing-moral-opposition-to-resettling-white-afrikaners/
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Episcopal Church refuses to resettle white Afrikaners, ends partnership with US government (Original Post) In It to Win It 5 hrs ago OP
Good for them. underpants 5 hrs ago #1
K&R spanone 5 hrs ago #2
That's my churcn wryter2000 5 hrs ago #3
Yea me too... LiberalArkie 4 hrs ago #9
Going to be mine soon, too. ShazzieB 3 hrs ago #25
The Episcopal welcomes you wryter2000 3 hrs ago #31
Was mine A HERETIC I AM 3 hrs ago #32
My atheist husband wryter2000 3 hrs ago #36
Bishop John Shelby Spong -- His last public lecture Celerity 3 hrs ago #44
Thanks very much for that! A HERETIC I AM 2 hrs ago #51
yw! Celerity 2 hrs ago #52
NIce! Welcome obamanut2012 3 hrs ago #39
Falling in love with my church more each day! maspaha 4 hrs ago #4
That's my Church! obamanut2012 4 hrs ago #5
Good for them. sheshe2 4 hrs ago #6
There's an institution that talks the talk and walks the walk. I am going to bet that the members Raven 4 hrs ago #7
The moral thing to do. Nevilledog 4 hrs ago #8
I went to a local Episcopal Church a few times in the past, this makes me want to go there again... wcmagumba 4 hrs ago #10
And as a side benefit, a person does get a fair amount of exercise in.. LiberalArkie 4 hrs ago #12
Gawd help you EYESORE 9001 3 hrs ago #22
That's why the bullletins at the Episcopal Church I've been attending always say "kneel or sit as you are able." 😉 ShazzieB 3 hrs ago #28
i do the episcopal crouch.( half kneal , half sit) AllaN01Bear 3 hrs ago #40
AKA "Virginia kneeling" Jilly_in_VA 16 min ago #56
Always do the Baptist position LiberalArkie 3 hrs ago #30
The rector honestly won't care obamanut2012 4 hrs ago #14
That's good to hear! ShazzieB 3 hrs ago #29
Nice! obamanut2012 3 hrs ago #41
Anglican church in the US wryter2000 3 hrs ago #38
I'm agnostic wryter2000 3 hrs ago #33
Enough is enough orangecrush 4 hrs ago #11
I am an Episcopalian myself Mountain Mule 4 hrs ago #13
And also with you! CapnSteve 4 hrs ago #15
Excellent!!! LovelyStuff 4 hrs ago #16
Remember the priest who more or less chastised Trump at the Washington Cathedral of the LiberalArkie 4 hrs ago #17
All churches should do the same. ananda 4 hrs ago #18
Maybe I need to start going to church again. Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #19
💕💕 So much appreciation Hekate 4 hrs ago #20
The Golden Idol Party is losing its monopoly on religion Torchlight 3 hrs ago #21
I expected the new town of Starbase, TX to take them all in. tanyev 3 hrs ago #23
Yay, Episcopal Church Lulu KC 3 hrs ago #24
Glad to hear it. Martin68 3 hrs ago #26
Excellent news malaise 3 hrs ago #27
Bravo! oasis 3 hrs ago #34
TEC is definitely NOT White Nationalist! Jilly_in_VA 3 hrs ago #35
Frozen Chosen... I had to look that up. Always something new to learn. Norrrm 3 hrs ago #42
It tends to rarely be true anymore obamanut2012 2 hrs ago #53
Frozen Chosen conjures up this lonely bird 1 hr ago #54
This message was self-deleted by its author AStern 3 hrs ago #37
Bravo, Episcopalians. Well done. (nt) Paladin 3 hrs ago #43
Like many others in this thread, that is my church as well BumRushDaShow 3 hrs ago #45
Fox Snooz will report this customerserviceguy 3 hrs ago #46
Remember Ebrahim Rasool, the ambassador who was expelled from the US a couple of months ago? tornado34jh 3 hrs ago #47
Proud to be an Episcopal JBTaurus83 2 hrs ago #48
Very impressive xuplate 2 hrs ago #49
The US has a long history of denying economic refugees entry Warpy 2 hrs ago #50
No church Rebl2 1 hr ago #55
Excellent! I'm so glad to see a church follow Jesus RainCaster 1 min ago #57

ShazzieB

(20,575 posts)
25. Going to be mine soon, too.
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:08 PM
3 hrs ago

Last edited Mon May 12, 2025, 06:20 PM - Edit history (1)

I have been attending services at an Episcopal Church for a while now, and am looking into becoming a member. News like this makes me feel really good about my choice!

A HERETIC I AM

(24,772 posts)
32. Was mine
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:30 PM
3 hrs ago

Baptized and confirmed (in the National Cathedral in DC, no less!) and attended those churches on 3 continents.

The late Bishop John Shelby Spong was a great voice of reason in the Episcopal Church.

I'm Atheist now, but I have some fond memories from my days in the church.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,772 posts)
51. Thanks very much for that!
Mon May 12, 2025, 04:18 PM
2 hrs ago

I saved that one for later on my YouTube channel. I created a file called “long form“ specifically for videos like that. Thank you very very much. I really do appreciate it.

He was an amazing man and a true voice of reason.

He was one of the few guests that Bill Maher had on as an exclusive guest for a whole hour on his show.

I remember one question that Maher asked him that went something like “what do you think of the predictions of the rapture and all that”

Spong said “ Not much! If you took away Revelations and the book of Daniel, the tent preachers would have nothing to go on about!”


I nearly fell off my chair when he said that!

Raven

(14,259 posts)
7. There's an institution that talks the talk and walks the walk. I am going to bet that the members
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:10 PM
4 hrs ago

of this Church step up and fill the gap.

wcmagumba

(3,883 posts)
10. I went to a local Episcopal Church a few times in the past, this makes me want to go there again...
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:16 PM
4 hrs ago

I'm more of an agnostic than a devout believer but I did like some things about the church and its services...

ShazzieB

(20,575 posts)
28. That's why the bullletins at the Episcopal Church I've been attending always say "kneel or sit as you are able." 😉
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:13 PM
3 hrs ago

Sometimes I can kneel just fine; other times my knees object.

obamanut2012

(28,455 posts)
14. The rector honestly won't care
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:20 PM
4 hrs ago

Last edited Mon May 12, 2025, 03:46 PM - Edit history (1)

They are there for you however you need them to be. Just don't say the Nicene Creed if you don't believe it and it makes yo uncomfortable to say.

Just make sure it is an actual Episcopal Church and not ACNA. They are an anti LGBT anti women clergy offshoot that are pretty bad.

ShazzieB

(20,575 posts)
29. That's good to hear!
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:21 PM
3 hrs ago

I've reached out to the rector of the church I've been attending about joining, and will be meeting with him soon. I love going to church there and want to make it official, but I'm not really comfortable saying I believe every single word of the Nicene creed literally.

The church is definitely TEC, not ACNA, btw!

wryter2000

(47,820 posts)
33. I'm agnostic
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:33 PM
3 hrs ago

My church welcomes nonbelievers. You have to respect the faith of the other people around you, but you don't have to subscribe to everything that's said.

Mountain Mule

(1,138 posts)
13. I am an Episcopalian myself
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:19 PM
4 hrs ago

This makes me feel very proud of our church. As if the Tr**p regime actually cared about genuine refugees. Oh, please.

LiberalArkie

(18,161 posts)
17. Remember the priest who more or less chastised Trump at the Washington Cathedral of the
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:24 PM
4 hrs ago

Episcopal Diocese of DC. She is Episcopal..They do not shy away from controversy. Or very seldom do.

ananda

(31,691 posts)
18. All churches should do the same.
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:28 PM
4 hrs ago

But I expect there are some Magat churches
that would cater to white racists.

Ocelot II

(124,666 posts)
19. Maybe I need to start going to church again.
Mon May 12, 2025, 02:48 PM
4 hrs ago

The Episcopal cathedral I used to attend is pretty woke.

Torchlight

(4,605 posts)
21. The Golden Idol Party is losing its monopoly on religion
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:04 PM
3 hrs ago

Well okay, not so much losing their religion as consciously denying its tenets, in other words, apostasy. But I'm fully confident they'll blame anyone and everyone except themselves.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,887 posts)
35. TEC is definitely NOT White Nationalist!
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:35 PM
3 hrs ago

Yes, I'm Orthodox now, but a part of my heart is still there as I grew up in that church and my kids were baptized and grew up in it also. I'd probably still be a member if the church here wasn't such a bunch of Frozen Chosen.

obamanut2012

(28,455 posts)
53. It tends to rarely be true anymore
Mon May 12, 2025, 04:33 PM
2 hrs ago

TEC are encouraged to be part of the community, and have been a leader in helping immigrants, refugees, LGBT+, the unhoused, teh environment, etc. Not every Episcopal Church is as active as ours, I'm sure, but we constantly ahve something going on that includes both the community outside teh church walls.

We are also part of a group that includes other local TEC, Lutheran ELCA, and Methodists that help one another with this.

I am in Sacramento.

lonely bird

(2,293 posts)
54. Frozen Chosen conjures up this
Mon May 12, 2025, 05:10 PM
1 hr ago

Change?

My Grandmother donated that ( fill in the blank).

All seriousness aside we go the the Episcopal church. My wife directs the choir. I was voluntold that I was in the choir 😉😁. My wife was raised Roman Catholic. Long story about why she left but she feels the Episcopal church is home.

Response to In It to Win It (Original post)

BumRushDaShow

(152,167 posts)
45. Like many others in this thread, that is my church as well
Mon May 12, 2025, 03:53 PM
3 hrs ago

Just got my latest set of Pledge envelopes in the mail today too.

People might recall the spat that the Rt. Rev. Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde has had with 45.

tornado34jh

(1,473 posts)
47. Remember Ebrahim Rasool, the ambassador who was expelled from the US a couple of months ago?
Mon May 12, 2025, 04:00 PM
3 hrs ago

I think what is going on here proves he was right. It is all about white supremacism.

Warpy

(113,356 posts)
50. The US has a long history of denying economic refugees entry
Mon May 12, 2025, 04:18 PM
2 hrs ago

no matter how horrendous the situation is in their home country.

This is Elon Musk putting "his" people at the head of the line, against refugees fleeing violence and certain murder if they go back.

I can't deny that the Afrikaaners who ended up on the wrong side of a lot of necessary reforms in South Africa are living in terrible conditions--in squats, in makeshift shacks in parks, about what you'd see in any big US city. The difference between their poverty and poverty in Haiti or El Salvador is a relative lack of organized murder.

Musk could well afford to build housing in South Africa for "his" people and to provide the kind of seed money it takes to start small buisinesses to support them. He won't. Men like him don't share, no even with "their" people.

So good for the Episcopalians, just another reason to feel good about all the Catholic believers disgusted by Rome that I've sent to them over the years.

Rebl2

(16,283 posts)
55. No church
Mon May 12, 2025, 05:13 PM
1 hr ago

should agree to help them. Trump brought them here. Let him or governor desatan move in with them.

RainCaster

(12,809 posts)
57. Excellent! I'm so glad to see a church follow Jesus
Mon May 12, 2025, 06:59 PM
1 min ago

Too many are afraid to say anything for fear of offending someone.

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