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riversedge

(81,492 posts)
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:21 PM Yesterday

Finland's Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen said Ukraine should be integrated into NATO as quickly as possible because it

She makes good points IMHO

Ukraine is not asking NATO for a seat as a passenger. It is bringing the battlefield experience NATO now needs.

Finland’s Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen said Ukraine should be integrated into NATO as quickly as possible because it is in Europe’s own interest. Her point was clear: Ukraine has one of Europe’s most credible armies, a strong defense industry, and modern technologies tested in the hardest war on the continent.

In the language Washington understands: Ukraine has cards. Real ones.



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Finland's Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen said Ukraine should be integrated into NATO as quickly as possible because it (Original Post) riversedge Yesterday OP
Absolutely! SheltieLover Yesterday #1
Could not agree more. If I were them, I'd toss the US out (but of course I HOPE that does not happen) hlthe2b Yesterday #2
They're gonna have to wait until 2029 Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #3
Can't they expel a rogue member? erronis Yesterday #4
You mean expel the US? Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #6
How is that different (better/worse) than the trumpian US pulling out - or obstructing everything? erronis Yesterday #8
Because there are still thousands of US troops in Europe Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #9
Someone with trump(putin) can cause a lot more damage inside. Witness fetterman. erronis Yesterday #10
The rest of the Five Eyes are already excluding the US from intelligence sharing Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #11
Doesn't Trump keeping threatening to withdraw the US from NATO ToxMarz Yesterday #7
AND... BurnDoubt Yesterday #5
Totally true barbtries Yesterday #12
Convergent interests between Ukraine and NATO Torchlight Yesterday #13
When you're right you're right. ananda Yesterday #14
Of course Ukraine should be a member of NATO. Buddyzbuddy 19 hrs ago #15
Completely agree! 🇺🇦 SamuelAdams 19 hrs ago #16
Might be difficult. It only take one "no" vote to block, and I don't know ion we can count on the Rump regime to Martin68 5 hrs ago #17
Indeed Marvin Jones 4 hrs ago #18
Yup. Shoulda happened long ago. Joinfortmill 3 hrs ago #19

hlthe2b

(114,564 posts)
2. Could not agree more. If I were them, I'd toss the US out (but of course I HOPE that does not happen)
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:24 PM
Yesterday

If only they could help us get the demented scourge out of power.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,973 posts)
3. They're gonna have to wait until 2029
Tue May 12, 2026, 01:37 PM
Yesterday

Because any new member must have unanimous approval from every other member.

In the meantime, they can proceed with forming Carney’s proposed European Defense Alliance.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,973 posts)
6. You mean expel the US?
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:06 PM
Yesterday

That would essentially dissolve NATO.

I’m not sure anybody wants that, especially since the current rogueness will only last another three years (even if the damage lasts longer).

erronis

(24,468 posts)
8. How is that different (better/worse) than the trumpian US pulling out - or obstructing everything?
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:13 PM
Yesterday

Fiendish Thingy

(23,973 posts)
9. Because there are still thousands of US troops in Europe
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:16 PM
Yesterday

And the EU has found workarounds, such as loaning Ukraine billions, now that Orban is gone.

erronis

(24,468 posts)
10. Someone with trump(putin) can cause a lot more damage inside. Witness fetterman.
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:23 PM
Yesterday

An internal enemy is far worse than an external one.

trump has tried to weaken NATO and other alliances in order to favor putin. He can't be relied on for anything at all.

Given his destruction of the US military leadership I don't see anyone stopping him from continuing his treasonous behavior.

I doubt NATO wants trump to be privy to its planning for the future. He's like an ugly 320 pound skin tag.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,973 posts)
11. The rest of the Five Eyes are already excluding the US from intelligence sharing
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:36 PM
Yesterday

That doesn’t mean NATO wants the US out of Europe.

Fortunately, the current crop of European leaders aren’t (mostly) knee jerk reactionaries who want to punish themselves for the antics of one rogue leader.

ToxMarz

(3,048 posts)
7. Doesn't Trump keeping threatening to withdraw the US from NATO
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:10 PM
Yesterday

They should act the moment he crosses that line.

BurnDoubt

(1,886 posts)
5. AND...
Tue May 12, 2026, 02:46 PM
Yesterday

Because it’s the Right Thing To Do.
NATO PUSHED Ukraine to surrender their Nukes. For this reason alone they should waive the shit out of the rules. This is house-afire Emergency and they are paying for our Stupidity in Lives and Treasury.
And, now they are suffering for it! Deplorable.
This is on us (NATO) and His Arrogance is playing Transactional Mumblypeg with them to rip-off their Resources.
Deplorable

Torchlight

(7,023 posts)
13. Convergent interests between Ukraine and NATO
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:43 PM
Yesterday

that would strengthen both by Ukraine's entry. At this point, I'm not looking at if it happens, but when it will be eventually acted on. Serious times call for serious nations... NATO can dismiss America as a serious player for the time being if recent events show our measure.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,847 posts)
15. Of course Ukraine should be a member of NATO.
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:38 PM
19 hrs ago

They are at Russia's doorstep therefore the first defense. Once the Russia incursion has been eliminated. They are a better friend to Europe than the U.S. at this point in time. They are battlefield tested and have proven to be a force not to be taken lightly. 1 Ukrainian fight is more worthy of praise than the Felon and his whole Administration.

That's not even taking into consideration the commitment that was made to Ukraine to defend them when they gave up the nukes.

Martin68

(28,052 posts)
17. Might be difficult. It only take one "no" vote to block, and I don't know ion we can count on the Rump regime to
Wed May 13, 2026, 11:44 AM
5 hrs ago

vote "yes."

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