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sheshe2

(98,528 posts)
Sun May 24, 2026, 05:23 PM 21 hrs ago

‪Mueller, She Wrote‬: A gentle reminder

A gentle reminder

Mueller, She Wrote (@muellershewrote.com) 2026-05-24T17:59:56.223Z


Essence of RBG 🦋 (@rbgprevails.bsky.social) 2026-05-24T19:17:10.422Z


And then they came like the ones they fought.

Kyle Ruggles 🇨🇦 (@kyleruggles.bsky.social) 2026-05-24T20:00:39.526Z


Perhaps the most appalling of these legacies is the way Adolph Hitler and his regime consciously drew on U.S. actions toward Native Americans as a model for their murderous campaign in Eastern Europe during World War II. This is a connection explored by recent historians of Nazi Germany and detailed most comprehensively in Carroll Kakel’s “The American West and the Nazi East.” (For a related account of how American immigration, segregation and eugenics policies influenced the Nazis, see James Whitman’s fascinating “Hitler’s American Model.”)

Hitler’s overriding strategic goal in launching World War II was stretching Germany’s borders eastward to encompass most of Europe. This quest for Lebensraum, or living space, to the east was his central preoccupation. He envisioned a vast German empire extending through the Baltics, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Russia — all the way to Europe’s end at the Ural Mountains. This empire would be gradually cleared of its former inhabitants and populated instead by rugged, self-reliant German farmers growing food to feed a great continental power.

World War II, then, was above all a war of colonial expansion. At a time when European countries still ruled much of the world, justifying such rule by claims of racial superiority and using brutal methods to extract wealth and crush dissent, Hitler had many models to look to for inspiration. Belgium, for instance, killed or worked to death an estimated 10 million people during its four decades ruling Congo.

His focus, however, was not on overseas colonies, which Germany had never acquired to the same extent as other powers, but on a contiguous, land-based empire annexed to the German homeland itself. As Hitler said, “Our colonial territory is in the east.” His was a vision of what historians call “settler colonialism,” in which an area’s original inhabitants may be exploited temporarily but are ultimately replaced by the conquering country’s own people.


https://wagingnonviolence.org/2020/10/hitler-found-blueprint-german-empire-in-the-american-west/

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‪Mueller, She Wrote‬: A gentle reminder (Original Post) sheshe2 21 hrs ago OP
K&R brer cat 20 hrs ago #1
Thank you. sheshe2 20 hrs ago #3
... SheltieLover 20 hrs ago #2
Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote 20 hrs ago #4
"Adolph Hitler and his regime consciously drew on U.S. actions MorbidButterflyTat 20 hrs ago #5
Including southern states racist laws DemocracyForever 19 hrs ago #7
Allison Gill was a sexual assault victim while in the military. lapucelle 20 hrs ago #6
I did not know this about Allison Gill. sheshe2 19 hrs ago #8
Thank you so much for this most important OP. niyad 18 hrs ago #9
Henry Ford was besties orthoclad 16 hrs ago #21
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote 18 hrs ago #10
So true BeneteauBum 18 hrs ago #11
Hitler's greatest genocide was against the Slavs orthoclad 18 hrs ago #12
Thank you so much for the history, orthoclad. sheshe2 17 hrs ago #13
What is scary is how much our history orthoclad 17 hrs ago #14
It is frightening. sheshe2 17 hrs ago #16
Isabel Wilkerson covered this in her book "Caste" misanthrope 17 hrs ago #18
The Civil War never ended- orthoclad 16 hrs ago #19
Maybe I should have said the formal end of the war misanthrope 15 hrs ago #23
I'm not disagreeing, I always like to orthoclad 15 hrs ago #24
Oh, I am aware we are on the same page there misanthrope 12 hrs ago #32
more parallels orthoclad 16 hrs ago #20
💔💙 ☮️ Cha 17 hrs ago #15
Thank you, Cha. ☮️🪷 sheshe2 17 hrs ago #17
Mahalo, she☮️💙 Cha 16 hrs ago #22
Where Have All the Flowers Gone sheshe2 15 hrs ago #25
Many have learned, but those in Cha 15 hrs ago #28
One of my favorites groups when I was so much younger than today. sheshe2 14 hrs ago #29
I've read that, too. It was a WMD Cha 13 hrs ago #30
Lucky you! sheshe2 13 hrs ago #31
Thank you, interesting! betsuni 15 hrs ago #26
Thank you, betsuni. 💙 sheshe2 15 hrs ago #27
I can't help but see this: relogic 2 hrs ago #33

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,769 posts)
5. "Adolph Hitler and his regime consciously drew on U.S. actions
Sun May 24, 2026, 06:10 PM
20 hrs ago

toward Native Americans as a model for their murderous campaign..."

Also, eugenics.

Buck v. Bell: "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

"Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927), is a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court, written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., in which the Court ruled that a state statute permitting compulsory sterilization of the unfit, including the intellectually disabled, "for the protection and health of the state" did not violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

DemocracyForever

(212 posts)
7. Including southern states racist laws
Sun May 24, 2026, 06:31 PM
19 hrs ago

against African Americans in addition to the genocide committed against Native Americans.

lapucelle

(21,132 posts)
6. Allison Gill was a sexual assault victim while in the military.
Sun May 24, 2026, 06:12 PM
20 hrs ago

She was featured in the documentary that led Graham Platner to mock and blame sexual assault victims for the crimes committed against them.

What gives me special insight is that I’m a Military Sexual Assault survivor, and that I was in that documentary about it that he made fun of

Mueller, She Wrote (@muellershewrote.com) 2026-03-01T18:47:04.263Z

sheshe2

(98,528 posts)
8. I did not know this about Allison Gill.
Sun May 24, 2026, 06:48 PM
19 hrs ago

It is heartbreaking what she went through then and now. Scoffed at because boys will be boys, dontcha know and the danged girls/women need to take a little responsibility for gettin' raped. It is all their fault after all.

I however have read a lot about Platner...a lot.

niyad

(134,112 posts)
9. Thank you so much for this most important OP.
Sun May 24, 2026, 07:35 PM
18 hrs ago

Some time back I read a book about IBM's connection to hitler's campaign against the Jews. "IBM And The Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Betwen Nazi Germany And America's Most Powerful Corporation" by Edwin Black.

orthoclad

(4,849 posts)
21. Henry Ford was besties
Sun May 24, 2026, 10:01 PM
16 hrs ago

with Hitler.

Corporate sponsorship of Nazism survived WWII in the form of armaments and automotive companies in Germany, with many tentacles into foreign corporations.

At the root, capitalism is based on stolen labor, originally the labor of enslaved people in Brazil, the Caribbean, and the South. The labor camps of WWII derived from this tradition.

BeneteauBum

(797 posts)
11. So true
Sun May 24, 2026, 08:19 PM
18 hrs ago

It’s tough dealing with the atrocious government policy on this holiday honoring those sacrificed for our freedom. They are the true heroes…..not losers as iterated by the idiot in charge. He still doesn’t get it…..so sad!

Peace ☮️

orthoclad

(4,849 posts)
12. Hitler's greatest genocide was against the Slavs
Sun May 24, 2026, 08:24 PM
18 hrs ago

He sought to exterminate the Slavic "Untermenschen" in order to create his Lebensraum for his Aryans. The Soviet Union lost 20 MILLION people as the Nazi war machine killed everyone in their way - and this doesn't count the non-Soviet Slavs of Poland and other countries.

This campaign of extermination was the central theater of European WWII. I read recently that about 90% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front.

US racial laws inspired the Nuremberg Laws. per wiki:
"... antisemitic and racist laws introduced in Nazi Germany on 15 September 1935 at a special session of the Reichstag during the annual Nuremberg Rally of the Nazi Party. The legislation comprised two measures. The Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour prohibited marriages and sexual relations between Jews and Germans..." Professor Whitman goes into this in depth in his book cited in the OP.

The US STILL had such laws until 1967, when the Supreme Court ruled them unconstitutional, 22 years after the defeat of Hitler.

The roots of fascism are deep in this country. Let's consider well which "normal" we hope to return to post-Trump.

sheshe2

(98,528 posts)
13. Thank you so much for the history, orthoclad.
Sun May 24, 2026, 08:37 PM
17 hrs ago

Ours isn't all that pretty either, you are right on that.

orthoclad

(4,849 posts)
14. What is scary is how much our history
Sun May 24, 2026, 08:43 PM
17 hrs ago

has inspired so many of the worst actors in the world.

misanthrope

(9,639 posts)
18. Isabel Wilkerson covered this in her book "Caste"
Sun May 24, 2026, 09:14 PM
17 hrs ago

The Nazis didn't hide how they were inspired by Jim Crow America, except they declined to implement "one-drop" standards and the segregation of water fountains as being too extreme and trivial.

That's right: Nazi Germany found the Jim Crow South to be too extreme. Now modern conservatives, tell us again how Reconstruction was too onerous. For my money, the U.S. should have told every last treasonous Confederate that they had a choice between exile or execution at the Civil War's end.

orthoclad

(4,849 posts)
19. The Civil War never ended-
Sun May 24, 2026, 09:40 PM
16 hrs ago

Reconstruction ended. Much too soon.

It truly is mind-boggling that the Nazis considered US racial laws too extreme.

Maybe we should chant "USA!" with umlauts.

misanthrope

(9,639 posts)
23. Maybe I should have said the formal end of the war
Sun May 24, 2026, 10:28 PM
15 hrs ago

It has been steadily waged in other ways since Appomattox.

orthoclad

(4,849 posts)
24. I'm not disagreeing, I always like to
Sun May 24, 2026, 10:31 PM
15 hrs ago

say something to this effect. The shooting stopped, but the South won the peace when that compromise election killed Reconstruction. We were making good progress to a post-slavery world until then.

misanthrope

(9,639 posts)
32. Oh, I am aware we are on the same page there
Mon May 25, 2026, 02:18 AM
12 hrs ago

Having been in a state nicknamed the Heart of Dixie since about the time the Civil Rights Act was signed into law, I couldn't have ignored the Cold Civil War if I tried.

orthoclad

(4,849 posts)
20. more parallels
Sun May 24, 2026, 09:47 PM
16 hrs ago

Hitler's extermination of the Slavs sounds an awful lot like the extermination of native Americans and the theft of their lands. Lebensraum resembles Manifest Destiny.

sheshe2

(98,528 posts)
25. Where Have All the Flowers Gone
Sun May 24, 2026, 10:41 PM
15 hrs ago
Where have all the young men gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young men gone
Long time ago?
Where have all the young men gone?
They're all in uniform
Oh, when will you ever learn?
Oh, when will you ever learn?




Cha

(320,794 posts)
28. Many have learned, but those in
Sun May 24, 2026, 11:13 PM
15 hrs ago

Power now don't care. Nor does their cult..

Mahalo for the song by Peter Paul and Mary 💔💙 ☮️

sheshe2

(98,528 posts)
29. One of my favorites groups when I was so much younger than today.
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:13 AM
14 hrs ago

I read somewhere today that the military losses we had in Iran could easily been avoided but good old Pete had no clue what he was doing.

Cha

(320,794 posts)
30. I've read that, too. It was a WMD
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:41 AM
13 hrs ago

Weapons of Mass Distraction. Epstein Files.

I was just remembering that I saw Peter Paul and Marl at Cheesman Park in Denver when I was in Jr High.

Pic at the link, I couldn't get a direct photo..

https://www.dwell-denver.com/blog/cheesemanpark-neighborhood

relogic

(269 posts)
33. I can't help but see this:
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:02 PM
2 hrs ago

“settler colonialism,” in which an area’s original inhabitants may be exploited temporarily but are ultimately replaced by the conquering country’s own people.”

as modeled, yes, through the brutal decimation of what were native peoples in North America. It seems there and in Hitler’s strategy Netanyahu has taken a page. I suspect these tactics of expansion are an ancient occupation playbook that UK, US, FR, CHINA, etc.,etc. are what every President, PM, Monarck, Despot and Emperor employs. The justifications may change to suit them, but the strategy and displacement remain resolute.

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