I'm so tired of people associating low IQ with Trump

[csusan]

I just posted else in another post about persons with intellectual disabilities but have decided to do my own post.
Trump does NOT have low IQ or better known as intellectual disabilities.
Children and adults with intellectual disabilities are like most everyone one else kind, caring, and friendly.
Their IQ level will determine just how much help and assistance they will need in life it is not associated with negative personality traits.
As an example, many people with down syndrome have IQs in the moderate to mild range. Some need constant assistance with dressing and toileting skills with limited verbal abilities. Others are mild to borderline with no Trump behaviors. They can function from needing minimal assistance to almost average intelligence.
Severe to profound, IQs lower than about 50 need total care in all areas of development
People with intellectual disabilities are a minority just like any other minority and deserve our respect. The demeaning of intellectual disabilities I see on this site makes me angry. We are suppose to be better than this.
Trump is many things but his sickness and evilness is not related to IQ.
He chooses to be stupid and ignorant this isn't associated with low IQ. He chooses to be mean and hateful this is not associated with low IQ. He chooses to be vengeful this not related to low IQ
Please give people with IQ the same respect you give to every other minority.

[niyad]

1. KNR

[Ocelot II]

2. Trump isn't developmentally disabled. His stupidity is the result of laziness and narcissism.

His apparent intellectual shortcomings aren't caused by some congenital disability but by his constellation of personality disorders. He's willfully ignorant. He's a narcissist who thinks he's always right and that whatever he believes is true, and throughout his privileged life he's never been held to account. He always got his way because of his money and his bullying personality, so he was able to turn his beliefs into facts as far as his business was concerned. Since he always got his way and was able to force others to do what he wanted, he never had to learn much about anything that didn't affect his business. He remained comfortably ignorant about everything outside his world of real estate development, and being lazy on top of everything else, he never bothered to learn anything else. As a result, he presents as being as dumb as a bag of hair. His IQ, if it had ever been measured, is probably a lukewarm normal. He's functionally stupid because he's lazy and has been able to do what he wanted without having to know anything outside his little world of rich assholes.

[ananda]

6. I think he does have some cognitive impairment...

and lack of impulse control... due to old age
and bad lifestyle habits.

[csusan]

10. That is true. Cognitive impairment

Yes cognitive impairment in old age happens. I'm 73 and am seeing changes. I however have had at least average IQ and still do. Old age cognitive impairment is considered a different category. Intellectual disability can be diagnosed at very young age. If child is "slow" this may not show up until preschool.
Trump is a damaged human who refuses to use his innate intelligence to learn and seek experience and knowledge. Such a same that he uses his intelligence for evil. Thanks for posting

[ananda]

57. I have some impairment too.

But not like Trump. His is very bad
and he should be removed from office

[duhneece]

12. He never read any books, nothing on history except...

…the Nazi Bible.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

39. Enjoy your stay.

[haele]

35. When he was younger, he clever enough to be at least average

If you saw clips of his early interviews with more serious journalists, like the one with Barbara Walters where he was not scripted, he exhibited least a Jr. Collage vocabulary and enough savvy to attempt to pivot her focus, and when that didn't work, shut his trap instead of digging himself into a deeper hole.
As you indicated, his decline has been due to his privileged laziness, and probably way too much Adderall and partying to try to recapture his club hopping disco days - leading to public indications of development of some sort of dementia (instead of just lazy narcissism) since around the early 2010's.

[csusan]

55. Yes

Thank you. Totally right!

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. Thanks for posting this

Trump has enough specific, unique character defects, including willful ignorance, that there is no need to make up attacks on imagined low IQ scores or resorting to fat shaming.

[KPN]

21. Yeah, fair enough re: fat shaming. He's an out-of-shape, old, over-weight

heathen and asshole.

But I disagree with the stupid part — even a highly intelligent person can be, act, and behave stupidly — at least some time, much of the time, most of the time or — in the orange asshole’s case — ALL the time! Stupid and low IQ or cognitive impairment are not the same thing. Stupid can be something like just not using common sense, poor judgement, or making a bad decision. We have all been guilty of those on some occasions over the course of our life. The reason we are not labeled stupid or idiotic is we don’t do those things all the time, repeatedly — like the overweight, out of shape, idiotic asshole in the White (and gold lame) House .

[BannonsLiver]

32. Well he is a big fat fuck, so there's that.

But sure let’s continue to ignore the reality that he is low IQ and a big fatso because somebody somewhere out in the ether might think we’re talking about them and get offended.

Knives to gun fights, as usual.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

4. Thanks. I had a reply for that other thread, but it would have been removed. NT

[sop]

5. Trump's no genius, but he's not that stupid. Ignorant, cruel, immoral, greedy, dishonest, suffering from multiple

personality disorders and advancing dementia, but he's not stupid.

[csusan]

7. It heartens me

to know others feelings on this. I see it everywhere not just at DU. But DU is the only place where I can make a statement.

I worked with infants, toddlers, children and adults with intellectual disabilities and it hurts me to see the things said. I can only imagine from the families I worked with how it must make families feel.

[BannonsLiver]

41. How does it make them feel?

Probably not as bad as the actual shit Trump has done to make their lives and the lives of everyone in this country more difficult. I’ll go out on that limb.

But sure, people who call him low IQ are an equally big problem. 🙄

[Irish_Dem]

8. Trump is a vicious, brutal psychopath.

This is the most salient piece of his mental status exam.

He is not very bright and uneducated as well.
But yes of course this is not what makes him evil.

[leftstreet]

9. DUers are NOT demeaning disabled people

The demeaning of intellectual disabilities I see on this site makes me angry.

For heaven's sake

Trump has no documented disability. He's demeaned here because he's a stupid malignant narcissistic asshole

[csusan]

15. You need to read some more posts

There are numerous times on DU and even one today claiming trump is low IQ and making jokes about how low his IQ is. Why are people claiming he has low IQ and joking about it? They are associating lack of intelligence to trump and his behavior. Somehow this is funny? I'd suggest you ask some parents with intellectually handicapped children if they find this comparision funny. To me it's clear that saying trump is low IQ, is just as bad as associating other minorities, we defend, with behaviors that MAGA thinks they have. I suggest that you seek out disabled children in school or adults in a sheltered workshop for disabled adults and then decide if they are anything like Trump.

[GoCubsGo]

16. Yes, stupid, malignant asshole who constantly uses "low IQ" as a slur.

Particularly when it comes to non-white women. I suspect that is really at the center of this, and not any sort of demeaning of the intellectually disabled.

[csusan]

56. Dont agree

That's just excuse. Kinda like the excuses we hear from maga. Doesn't make it ok.

[Escape]

18. Thanks Leftstreet..

You said it perfectly....
Trump calls all of his opponents "Low IQ". It's one of the many, many things I call him..

[CurtEastPoint]

11. And what does our Dear Leader (gagme) use as a dog whistle for African American? "Low IQ" Shame on him

and anyone who uses this term

[aeromanKC]

13. I work with MAGAt's and they are

Idiocracy!! We are living the movie in real time. Double Bonus: They are also Beavis and Butthead. We're living in a two for one movie loop.

[Wifes husband]

14. I am sorry

Every one is over-thinking this. The man is a stupid asshole. Greedy, selfish bastard with no morals.

[csusan]

17. I need more context

Exactly who and how are we overthinking this? I'm not sure if you mean I'm over thinking the posts I see at DU that talk about trump being low IQ. I really don't think so. We scream loudly when a MAGA makes a racist statement. I'm just saying that saying trump is low iq is just as derogatory to people with low iq as a maga making racist statements and we should all defend this minority.

[BidenRocks]

19. He is what we say!

Just because we call him a piece of shit, doesn't mean he is Mr. Hankey.
But that does not matter!
Calling him anything besides pResident is cathartic!
Ask him how he solved the Bowling Green Massacre! 2017
He will tell you all about it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. K&R

[gulliver]

22. We also demean "the stupid"

If you don't like fools, you don't like humanity (or, probably, yourself).

[csusan]

58. Stupid is not the same

Stupid people can have very high iq they just make the choice not to use their intelligence. People with intellectual disabilities or low iq did not make that choice. Your argument is stupid. You are intelligent but are choosing not to understand my post because you want to continue demeaning a group of people that you don't know.

[stopdiggin]

23. you are of course correct. (and make a worthy point) you are also

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probably fighting an uphill battle against perhaps the oldest prejudice known to man. Mockery and disdain - both serious and humorous, good natured and down right vicious - are completely ingrained in our (and virtually every other culture) - and is inculcated from the time we are in diapers.

The basis of about 97% of our comedy ... (again, universal) (blonde jokes, cousin Jimmy, hapless spouse, rural rubes, Polish yoink .. ) And on a more serious level, the basis of almost instinctual and rudimentary categorization and evaluation of our fellow ...

You'd probably be hard put to find anything more universal - or more jointly shared.
So ... You are of course right - but .....

[twodogsbarking]

25. I recently saw Mel Brooks. He asked what is the difference between a Jew and a Frenchman?

A Frenchman leaves a party without telling anyone. A Jew tells everyone he is leaving and never leaves. Mel is of course Jewish. Your comment was great. Thanks.

[csusan]

44. Thank you

I'd hoped for better from DU. Oh well at least some people here understood my point.

[twodogsbarking]

24. Trump uses the IQ to insult others. That is why others use it against him.

People with doctorates have put gasoline in a kerosene heater and burned their house down. Doesn't matter how many books you read last year when your house is a pile of ashes. I have digressed but that is not unusual for me.

[csusan]

46. Does that make it ok?

I don't care what he says. We are better than him. We can learn not to denigrate a minority just to get back at him.

[nuxvomica]

26. Low IQ and stupid are different things

Stupidity as defined by Cipolla in The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity is the tendency to act not only against the interests of others but against your own interests as well. You can have high IQ, meaning you have high intellectual ability, and still be stupid, often through pride or hubris or a lack of empathy. This is a distinction we desperately need to understand in dealing with not just people like Trump but AI as well, which processes information more rapidly than humans yet should never be allowed to control anything.

[Escape]

27. So....

with the ridiculous war in Iran, the murder of our citizens on American streets, the daily fraud, theft and corruption of this administration and the very real possibility of the end of our Democracy.......you are most concerned about your fellow Democrats on this forum using a term Trump uses almost daily now.

I remember a DU poster last year admonishing us for commenting on Trump's obesity.

We are all in a WAR against a common enemy. We are all on the same team. We will all do our part to fight this evil in our own way, and we can't afford to be attacking each other in that process.

I just learned today that Trump really hates being called dumb. So, that's what I will call him from now on.

I sure hope the word "dumb" doesn't offend anyone.

[BannonsLiver]

36. Which is why I'm going to continue to call Trump whatever the hell I want to call him.

Including a fat fuck, pedo, liar, and LOW IQ.

[csusan]

47. Really that's your defense

Would it be ok because of everything you just stated for me to use a word that negatively is used against a minority to call thrump that.

[purr-rat beauty]

28. He has savvy, knowledge, and awareness

But is a malignant narcissist who speaks at a grade school level. The only thing keeping him afloat is his blackmail and surrounding himself with those who are in the Epstein Files.

He is declining and those who put him in place just need a couple more seconds to reach their goal of control when he loses it.

[doc03]

29. For every post I have seen where people say

Trump has a low IQ, I see ten with Trump calling people low IQ.

[csusan]

49. That doesn't make it ok

Just because he does it, we shouldn't do it. It brings us down to his level and we should be better than that.

[BannonsLiver]

52. Ah yes the old he goes low we go high bit.

It’s been a rousing success.

[BannonsLiver]

30. Another one for the "this is why we lose" file.

It’s now considered offensive to call Trump a moron. M’kay. 🙄

[csusan]

51. That isn't what i said

We use to call people MR but decided that we could call them something less negative so the term developmentally disabled or intellectually disabled. Moron is not a term to be used for people with disabilities. If you want to call trump that go ahead but please don't call someone with a disability that word.

[Intractable]

31. Trump accuses many people as having low-IQ, especially reporters and liberal politicians.

We know that every accusation Trump makes is either a projection or a confession.

Either way, it ain't looking good for his IQ.

[BlueTsunami2018]

34. I know I sound like a broken record but these people aren't stupid or crazy....

They’re evil.

Everything they’re doing is deliberate. Every move they make is to extract as much wealth as possible from the working class and place it in the hands of the psychopathic, wealth hoarding ruling class. It really is that simple. Tariffs, war, tax cuts, market manipulation, gutting entire government agencies, the weakening of the dollar, slashing benefits…..literally every move they make is to that end.

It’s all in Project 2025.

It’s pretty much the only thing they didn’t lie about.

We need class consciousness more than ever.

[FakeNoose]

37. I agree with you that the discussions of Chump should not refer to his IQ

How he tested on the standardized intelligence tests during his middle school or high school years is completely irrelevant. The whole thing should be dropped in DU. His low grades are a reflection of his lower than normal reading abilities, not his intelligence.

If he had been properly diagnosed as dyslexic (or whatever) when he was very young, he could have received special training to overcome the problem and he would have excelled at school, as many other children have done.

[BannonsLiver]

38. I think what's needed is an approved list of insults for Trump.

That will make people feel safer in this space.

[FakeNoose]

42. Oh I don't care, I've posted a lot of Chump insults in the last 9 years

I don't take any of this personally, but people are getting a little hyper about the IQ scores rumor. None of it has been proven anyway so I take it all with a grain of salt.

On another thread I mentioned that IQ tests and scores that students were given in the 1950's and 60s have little relevance to how that person would be scored now as an adult in their 70s or 80s.

[MineralMan]

40. Well, he's the one calling many people "low IQ individuals."

Most of those people, oddly enough, are people of color.

What's Trump's IQ? I have no idea, but I'd guess it to be in the 110-120 range. His obvious deterioration, however, along with his poor decision making, make him seem much more stupid that that.

I'm not sure why you're propping him up, though. He is not a good person, whatever is level of intelligence might be. He is a dangerous, totally self-absorbed person, who never should have been in a position of power.

[oasis]

43. Trump's no dumber than a mid-level MAGAt. He

refuses to accept the facts before him.

[yardwork]

45. Excellent points!

It's a complicated subject. I think that most of us call out Trump's intellectual laziness. He seems uninterested in learning anything unless it relates directly to him.

That is very different from being developmentally disabled.

[SSJVegeta]

48. High iq shouldnt necessarily be nearly as glorified as it is

Values should be.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

50. Even though it'll likely have little effect, your sensitivity

& compassion for others' suffering
is exactly what our poor old world
needs more of these days, so thank you.

[csusan]

54. Thank you

I'm shocked to say the least at how many people here are insensitive to others difficulty and difference. These are the same people who would have a stroke if I called someone the "n" word but they could care less for other minority. They think it's ok. Sounds kinda maga to me. I'm sure that will set people off. I'm just realizing that there are insensitive people on both sides of the aisle.
I worked with infants, toddlers, children and adults with all types of disabilities. I worked with families and the community. I will say I never received this kind of reaction from people in community that I have received today defending a minority that really can't speak for themselves.
This is truly eye opening. Thanks to everyone who understood my post and was kind in their responses. It means a lot. csusan or better known as Carolina

[dedl67]

53. The IQ number is a very inadequate measure of something as complex as intelligence

Peter Medawar has a cogent critique in his book "Pluto's Republic" and discusses better ways of thinking about intelligence.