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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAt this point, the US Navy cannot enter the Strait of Hormuz.
Sunburn hi energy ship killers are going to stop our entrance. 25 miles? Seconds when you consider the speed of these missies, God help our guys in the Gulf.
hookaleft
(1,426 posts)all hell is breaking loose
Brother Buzz
(40,634 posts)That was, until they were summarily dismissed, and shown the door.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,494 posts)Cant they just use some Trump branded sunscreen?
(I have no idea what youre talking about)
patphil
(9,344 posts)At short range, they'd be very hard to stop.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,992 posts)Depleted uranium warheads that kill our navel assets within seconds.
Iran's "Sunburn" missiles refer to the SS-N-22 Moskit (P-80), a Russian-designed, supersonic, ramjet-powered anti-ship cruise missile. They are considered a severe threat to U.S. and allied naval forces in the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz due to their high speed, low-altitude flight, and evasive maneuvers.
Fiendish Thingy
(24,494 posts)They have restrained themselves so far, what has changed that would trigger that level of escalation?
Im not disagreeing with you, just trying to better understand the situation.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,992 posts)They have the defense. If we lose a single destroyer...what will happen?
Fiendish Thingy
(24,494 posts)Mainly because thats about all that is left in the US arsenal at this point.
And for that reason, I dont think Iran will sink any US ships, they will just continue with strikes on ME strategic targets.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,992 posts)Lovie777
(24,539 posts)and 8 months later here we are.
Iran attacked US bases in retaliation in the Middle East. Please no more deaths.
mr715
(4,880 posts)sarisataka
(22,998 posts)how many times has the USS Abraham Lincoln been sunk so far?
Permanut
(8,733 posts)The ships I was on in the 60's couldn't react fast enough to counter these missiles. No doubt they have better countermeasures now.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,992 posts)Disaffected
(6,710 posts)"The term "Sunburner" refers to the SS-N-22 "Sunburn" (Russian designation: P-270 Moskit), a Soviet-designed, supersonic ramjet-powered anti-ship cruise missile.
First entering service in the 1980s, it gained a fearsome reputation during the Cold War as a purpose-built "carrier killer" designed specifically to defeat advanced Western naval defenses like the Aegis Combat System.
Key Capabilities & Threat Profile
Extreme Speed: The Sunburn travels at speeds of Mach 2.2 to Mach 3 (roughly 1,700 to 2,300 mph). Because it flies so fast, a target vessel often has less than 30 seconds to react once the missile clears the radar horizon.
Low-Altitude Sea Skimming: It approaches its target just 5 to 10 meters above the water's surface, making it incredibly difficult for standard shipboard radar to detect early.
Aggressive Evasion: In its final terminal phase (the last 9 kilometers), the missile can perform violent, high-g evasive maneuvers exceeding 10g to dodge close-in weapon systems (CIWS) and anti-missile interceptors.
Heavy Payload: It carries a 300 kg (660 lb) conventional semi-armor-piercing warhead, though it was originally designed to support a 120-kiloton nuclear option.
The Strait of Hormuz Context:
The post highlights a classic scenario debated by military analysts regarding chokepoints like the Strait of Hormuz, which is only about 21 to 25 miles wide at its narrowest point.
While Russia remains the primary operator of the Moskit, variants (like the 3M80E) have been exported over the years to nations including China, Egypt, and India, with Iran heavily integrating similar supersonic and subsonic anti-ship cruise missile strategies into its asymmetric coastal defense doctrines.
However, while the Sunburn is a formidable weapon, claims that the US Navy "cannot enter" the Strait are considered an exaggeration. Modern US Carrier Strike Groups utilize a layered, multi-tier defense frameworkincluding airborne early warning radar (E-2D Advanced Hawkeye), electronic warfare jamming, and rolling airframe missiles (RAM)specifically optimized to counter high-speed coastal missile threats."
So, may not be as bad as some think.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,992 posts)If I were the US Military, I'd be thinking......if Russia could do this bad.....how bad could we do? The war game has changed. The defense sector starts collapsing. Asymmetric warfare is killing the cost equation.
Disaffected
(6,710 posts)I wonder why the US hasn't kept the strait open as is. There is great incentive to do so but, maybe they are afraid of serious naval losses.
Or, maybe they feel they can adequately protect their own ships but not commercial vessels. Or, maybe they think/know commercial vessels would not try to cross even if the strait was "open". A mess by any other name.......
Matthew28
(1,941 posts)and a 50 year old joke of a navy. Imagine a hot war with the Chinese navy that is a 1,000 times as powerful. We aint defending Taiwan. Such an attempt would probably end up sinking 80% of our navy within a few months and probably get half the country flatten.And that is if we're lucky enough not to be invaded and ruled over by an chinese general.
We spend a trillion a year on this? Not schools, not roads, not the safetynet, no ssi, ...Freaking this.