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OAITW r.2.0

(32,992 posts)
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:07 PM 15 hrs ago

At this point, the US Navy cannot enter the Strait of Hormuz.

Sunburn hi energy ship killers are going to stop our entrance. 25 miles? Seconds when you consider the speed of these missies, God help our guys in the Gulf.

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At this point, the US Navy cannot enter the Strait of Hormuz. (Original Post) OAITW r.2.0 15 hrs ago OP
OMG hookaleft 15 hrs ago #1
Nothing the adults in the room didn't bring up Brother Buzz 13 hrs ago #13
Sunburners? Fiendish Thingy 15 hrs ago #2
Sunburner is the name given to a Russian supersonic anti-ship missle. Iran supposedly has them. patphil 14 hrs ago #3
Think a few supersonic missiles designed to fly low and fast. OAITW r.2.0 14 hrs ago #5
What makes you think Iran will use them to sink US ships? Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #6
You miss my point. OAITW r.2.0 14 hrs ago #7
I could see Hegseth and some MAGA Republicans in congress pushing to use tactical nukes Fiendish Thingy 14 hrs ago #8
This should not be happening. But we have a criminal moron in charge. OAITW r.2.0 14 hrs ago #10
Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action officially ended 10/18/2025.................. Lovie777 14 hrs ago #4
So much winning mr715 14 hrs ago #9
Another unstoppable weapon that destroys everything? sarisataka 14 hrs ago #11
2,300 mph.. Permanut 13 hrs ago #12
Hope so. OAITW r.2.0 13 hrs ago #14
FWIW: Disaffected 12 hrs ago #15
Hope you are right. OAITW r.2.0 11 hrs ago #18
Yes, the game has changed and Disaffected 2 hrs ago #19
If we can't defend against iran Matthew28 12 hrs ago #16
Shitty leadership got us into a shitty situation! oasis 12 hrs ago #17

Brother Buzz

(40,634 posts)
13. Nothing the adults in the room didn't bring up
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:06 AM
13 hrs ago

That was, until they were summarily dismissed, and shown the door.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
2. Sunburners?
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:09 PM
15 hrs ago

Can’t they just use some Trump branded sunscreen?

(I have no idea what you’re talking about)

OAITW r.2.0

(32,992 posts)
5. Think a few supersonic missiles designed to fly low and fast.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:30 PM
14 hrs ago

Depleted uranium warheads that kill our navel assets within seconds.

Iran's "Sunburn" missiles refer to the SS-N-22 Moskit (P-80), a Russian-designed, supersonic, ramjet-powered anti-ship cruise missile. They are considered a severe threat to U.S. and allied naval forces in the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz due to their high speed, low-altitude flight, and evasive maneuvers.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
6. What makes you think Iran will use them to sink US ships?
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:36 PM
14 hrs ago

They have restrained themselves so far, what has changed that would trigger that level of escalation?

I’m not disagreeing with you, just trying to better understand the situation.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,992 posts)
7. You miss my point.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:44 PM
14 hrs ago

They have the defense. If we lose a single destroyer...what will happen?

Fiendish Thingy

(24,494 posts)
8. I could see Hegseth and some MAGA Republicans in congress pushing to use tactical nukes
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:48 PM
14 hrs ago

Mainly because that’s about all that is left in the US arsenal at this point.

And for that reason, I don’t think Iran will sink any US ships, they will just continue with strikes on ME strategic targets.

Lovie777

(24,539 posts)
4. Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action officially ended 10/18/2025..................
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:25 PM
14 hrs ago

and 8 months later here we are.

Iran attacked US bases in retaliation in the Middle East. Please no more deaths.

sarisataka

(22,998 posts)
11. Another unstoppable weapon that destroys everything?
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 12:09 AM
14 hrs ago

how many times has the USS Abraham Lincoln been sunk so far?

Permanut

(8,733 posts)
12. 2,300 mph..
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 12:56 AM
13 hrs ago

The ships I was on in the 60's couldn't react fast enough to counter these missiles. No doubt they have better countermeasures now.

Disaffected

(6,710 posts)
15. FWIW:
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:34 AM
12 hrs ago

"The term "Sunburner" refers to the SS-N-22 "Sunburn" (Russian designation: P-270 Moskit), a Soviet-designed, supersonic ramjet-powered anti-ship cruise missile.

First entering service in the 1980s, it gained a fearsome reputation during the Cold War as a purpose-built "carrier killer" designed specifically to defeat advanced Western naval defenses like the Aegis Combat System.

Key Capabilities & Threat Profile
Extreme Speed: The Sunburn travels at speeds of Mach 2.2 to Mach 3 (roughly 1,700 to 2,300 mph). Because it flies so fast, a target vessel often has less than 30 seconds to react once the missile clears the radar horizon.

Low-Altitude Sea Skimming: It approaches its target just 5 to 10 meters above the water's surface, making it incredibly difficult for standard shipboard radar to detect early.

Aggressive Evasion: In its final terminal phase (the last 9 kilometers), the missile can perform violent, high-g evasive maneuvers exceeding 10g to dodge close-in weapon systems (CIWS) and anti-missile interceptors.

Heavy Payload: It carries a 300 kg (660 lb) conventional semi-armor-piercing warhead, though it was originally designed to support a 120-kiloton nuclear option.

The Strait of Hormuz Context:

The post highlights a classic scenario debated by military analysts regarding chokepoints like the Strait of Hormuz, which is only about 21 to 25 miles wide at its narrowest point.

While Russia remains the primary operator of the Moskit, variants (like the 3M80E) have been exported over the years to nations including China, Egypt, and India, with Iran heavily integrating similar supersonic and subsonic anti-ship cruise missile strategies into its asymmetric coastal defense doctrines.

However, while the Sunburn is a formidable weapon, claims that the US Navy "cannot enter" the Strait are considered an exaggeration. Modern US Carrier Strike Groups utilize a layered, multi-tier defense framework—including airborne early warning radar (E-2D Advanced Hawkeye), electronic warfare jamming, and rolling airframe missiles (RAM)—specifically optimized to counter high-speed coastal missile threats."

So, may not be as bad as some think.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,992 posts)
18. Hope you are right.
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 02:14 AM
11 hrs ago

If I were the US Military, I'd be thinking......if Russia could do this bad.....how bad could we do? The war game has changed. The defense sector starts collapsing. Asymmetric warfare is killing the cost equation.

Disaffected

(6,710 posts)
19. Yes, the game has changed and
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 11:31 AM
2 hrs ago

I wonder why the US hasn't kept the strait open as is. There is great incentive to do so but, maybe they are afraid of serious naval losses.

Or, maybe they feel they can adequately protect their own ships but not commercial vessels. Or, maybe they think/know commercial vessels would not try to cross even if the strait was "open". A mess by any other name.......

Matthew28

(1,941 posts)
16. If we can't defend against iran
Sun Jun 28, 2026, 01:57 AM
12 hrs ago

and a 50 year old joke of a navy. Imagine a hot war with the Chinese navy that is a 1,000 times as powerful. We aint defending Taiwan. Such an attempt would probably end up sinking 80% of our navy within a few months and probably get half the country flatten.And that is if we're lucky enough not to be invaded and ruled over by an chinese general.

We spend a trillion a year on this? Not schools, not roads, not the safetynet, no ssi, ...Freaking this.

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