Israeli strikes on Gaza kill 13 people, mostly women and children

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP

By WAFAA SHURAFA and SAMY MAGDY
Updated 8:19 AM CDT, May 11, 2025

DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israeli strikes overnight and into Sunday killed 13 people in the Gaza Strip, mostly women and children, according to local health officials.

Two of the strikes hit tents in the southern city of Khan Younis, each killing two children and their parents, according to Nasser Hospital, which received the bodies. Another five people were killed in strikes elsewhere, according to hospitals.

The Israeli military says it only targets militants and tries to avoid harming civilians. It blames Hamas for civilian deaths in the 19-month-old war because the militants are embedded in densely populated areas. There was no immediate Israeli comment on the latest strikes.

Israel has sealed Gaza off from all imports, including food, medicine and emergency shelter, for over 10 weeks in what it says is a pressure tactic aimed at forcing Hamas to release hostages. Israel resumed its offensive in March, shattering a ceasefire that had facilitated the release of more than 30 hostages.



Read more: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-ceasefire-hostages-05-11-2025-6a562aa1c6ce81bcc9ff4649e39ab937

[Bayard]

1. This is never going to stop,

As long as the president of the U.S. is rooting for crimes against humanity, to enable building luxury hotels. Its all about the cruelty, AND greed.

[brush]

2. More war crimes by a pariah nation.

[Cheezoholic]

3. Beat me to it, agreed. It is not antisemitic to call out the horror that the Israeli government is doing

They have now formally announced their goal is to wipe Gaza out and force 2 million people "go elsewhere". This is Israel's trail of tears moment. Human barbarism, while not just here, is alive and well and spreading.

[Beastly Boy]

5. A reminder:

"Pariah nation" doesn't mean what you think it means, and this is not news to you:
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=143394

But apparently you needed another reminder.

Also, there are terms other than the generic "Pariah nation" and "Warmonger Netanyahu" which would make criticism of Israel more nuanced and more accurate, not to mention more persuasive. No need to place such severe limits on your criticism.

[Eko]

8. Using that failed argument again, sheesh.

Are we a well loved country now or are we a Pariah nation?
You do realize that we ranked higher than Israel on all of those right, so are we well loved across the world or are we a pariah nation now?

[Beastly Boy]

9. You know, there is a whole lot of nuance between extremes

Can water be anything other than freezing or boiling?

Unless your answer to this question is no, my argument stands on its merits.

Did you notice that the comparisons I cited are not between Israel and the US, but between 60 to 120 countries of the world? No? Look at my sources again. Do you notice something about those standings? No?

Ok, a hint: it's a scale. To make it easier for you, it is a scale that determines each country's standing between "loved" and "pariah", the two extremes, relative to each other, with no particular emphasis on either Israel or the US. The emphasis is on the data.

Let me see if you can answer your question now: is Israel loved or a pariah? Is the loved or a pariah? You got it, neither.

And the data show that Israel is consistently above average. Not loved. Not hated. Better than most, and worse than some.

Do you now see now how your questions are totally fallacious and my argument is rock solid?

[Eko]

10. it is a scale that determines each country's standing between "loved" and "pariah"

No it doesn't.
The GDP of a country tells you what other countries and people think about you?
Shoot that makes China the second most loved country. https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/
Your argument is humorous.

[Beastly Boy]

11. No silly! GDP doesn't measure opinions! Measuring opinions is only good for determining the number of opinionated people

and I don't think this number figures into GDP. Ok, GDP measures economic prosperity of the nation, which in Israel's case doesn't jive with its alleged "pariah" status.

Nor is the "pariah state" synonymous with "less popular" - it stands for an outcast state, which, given the rest of the available statistics you neglected to pay attention to, is a patently ridiculous categorization.

Of all the cited rankings, why did you bring up GDP?

Yawn, yet another fallacious argument. Don't expect me to continue with this nonsense. I am getting very, very sleepy. Good night.

[Eko]

12. I brought up GDP because it was literally your first reason.

In international rankings, Israel ranks
-in the top 15% on the economy

I didn't bring it up, you did. As the very first reason why Israel is not a pariah state.

[Beastly Boy]

14. This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up. I linked to it.

It happened to be the first item on the long list included in my source. I didn't choose which item goes to the top of the list.

But at least you saw it as the very first reason why Israel is not a pariah state. There are many more...

... Did you by any chance stop paying attention before you got to my second "choice"?

Zzzzzz...

[Eko]

21. You literally typed it and posted it here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134143389#post5

Beastly Boy (12,171 posts)
5. I keep hearing "a pariah nation" over and over again. Can you explain?
Reply to brush (Reply #2)
Mon May 5, 2025, 06:45 PM

In international rankings, Israel ranks
-in the top 15% on the economy
-in the top 10% on free speech
-in the top 20% on globalization
-in the top 35% on human development and society
-in the top 35% on politics
-in the top 25% on technology
-and in the top 55% on tourism.

[Beastly Boy]

23. I did, didn't I?

Straight from my source, in the order that is consistent with my source.

And your point is... what?

[Eko]

24. Forget?

"This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up. I linked to it."
Now its
"I did, didn't I?"
You are just making things up now aren't you? Your argument changes to whatever you think will win right?

[Beastly Boy]

26. At the risk of repeating myself,

This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up.

All of the above were accurate, and they still are. You can find full confirmation of what I posted in my source. Can you now guess why I linked to it?

[Eko]

27. So from your link exactly where did you get "in the top 15% on the economy"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_Israel
There is your link to make it easier to show.
Waiting.

[Beastly Boy]

28. From my link:

"International Monetary Fund: GDP (nominal) 2022, ranked 28th out of 216
and
"International Monetary Fund: GDP (nominal) per capita 2022, ranked 14th out of 192 countries"

28 countries make up the top 13% of 216 countries
and
14 countries make up the top 7.3% of 192 countries

My apologies to Israel for undercutting their standing by a few percentage points.

Aren't you glad you made me correct myself?

[Eko]

29. So, exactly as I said. GDP.

This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up. I linked to it.

I did, didn't I?

At the risk of repeating myself,
Reply to Eko (Reply #24)
Sun May 11, 2025, 10:56 PM

This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up.

and lastly

From my link:
Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #28)
Sun May 11, 2025, 11:22 PM

"International Monetary Fund: GDP (nominal) 2022, ranked 28th out of 216
and
"International Monetary Fund: GDP (nominal) per capita 2022, ranked 14th out of 192 countries"

[Eko]

13. I mean, you could have gone by polls to help prove your point but since they dont you didnt.

A slight majority of Americans (53%) now express a somewhat or very unfavorable opinion of Israel. This marks an 11-point increase in unfavorable views since March 2022, when we last asked this question. The share of U.S. adults who voice very unfavorable views of Israel has roughly doubled over this period, from 10% in 2022 to 19% in 2025.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/

A Gallup survey taken in March this year found only 46% of Americans expressed support for Israel (the lowest level in 25 years of Gallup's annual tracking) while 33% now said they sympathised with the Palestinians - the highest ever reading of that measure. Other polls have found similar results.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4n90g6v9qo

[Beastly Boy]

15. I could have, but I didn't have to.

None of your sources come even close to suggesting the "pariah state" status of Israel. So unless you are trying hard to prove my point, I have no idea why you are even bothering.

[Eko]

18. Oh yeah,

Your use of rankings from as far back as, checks, 2016 on things that show things like GDP, a Innovation Index, a Economic Complexity Index, a Index of Economic Freedom, Global Competitiveness Index, Global Dynamism Index, Human Capital Report, Inclusive Development Index-from 2018, Ease of doing business index, and lastly but surely not least a Logistics Performance Index-from 2016 surely, surely show how Israel is viewed by the world no instead of actual polls for our country that shows that a "majority of Americans (53%) now express a somewhat or very unfavorable opinion of Israel." Its the Logistics Performance Index from 2016 that does it for ya isn't it? Thats the one that proves in your mind that you are right and I am wrong isn't it? Cause I mean shit, if you didn't do well with logistics performance in 2016 then you could well be a pariah state in 2025.

[Beastly Boy]

20. Feel free to update the list with more recent data.

I dare ya.

[Eko]

22. A jeeze you dare me? Do you double dog dare me?

Please.
Do your own work if you can.

[Beastly Boy]

25. I did. And I did. And I did.

(my own work). Your turn now.

[Eko]

30. Sure, sure, cause GDP shows how the world thinks of a country. You win.

[Eko]

19. I thought it was past your bedtime.

[PufPuf23]

16. Please instruct on how to make criticism of Israel more nuanced and more accurate, not to mention more persuasive.

Similar to the USA, the Israeli government has failed its own citizens and perpetuated horror.

That would be more helpful than sticking to talking points defending atrocity.

[Beastly Boy]

17. Well, your post is one way of doing just that.

More nuanced, accurate and persuasive than falling back on "pariah state" and "warmonger Netanyahu" at every opportunity.

But that's not saying much. There are many other ways, far more nuanced, accurate and persuasive than yours. Too many to mention them all.

[brush]

31. Sorry, BB, it has to be obvious to you as it is to everyone else who is willing...

to see clearly and accept reality. It's ethnic cleasning...a second Nakba so Netanyahu and the IDF can take over all of Gaza and keep taking Palestinian land in the West Ban

It's painfully obvious. Israel deserves better leadership.

Despite all you talking points, you must be very ashamed.

Read post 3.

[Beastly Boy]

32. I dunno... are you sure I am winning?

And why would I be ashamed of winning?

Just to be sure, I would like a second opinion. Something that doesn't include anyone's talking points or references to mine.

[brush]

33. It's a new Nakba. Israel deserves better leadership.

[Beastly Boy]

34. Exactly.

A limited vocabulary of memetic phrases, repeated frequently without giving them a second thought, to reinforce conformity with negative stereotyping and avoid any critical examination of the phrases .

We are no longer talking about the applicability of the term Nakba to Gaza, or how Israel's government became so bad.

We are reducing complex issues to dogmatic and overly simplistic expressions of partiality. We are then expected to take them for granted or else we should be ashamed of ourselves, a stance that eliminates any possibility of a serious discussion.

[brush]

35. Please. It's obvious the Netanyahu gov. wants to rid Gaza of all Palestinians.

Talk around it with talking points all you want, but it's ethnic cleansing or a new Nakba or whatever you wanna call it. It's happening.

And pls note, I'm specifically blaming the Netanyahu gov. so as not to infer that the entire country of Israel is complicit as I don't believe that all of the population of the country agrees with the continued killings, violation of the ceasefire and the complete abandonment of negotiations for a two-state solution.

[Beastly Boy]

36. When youi are calling Israel a "pariah nation", you are specifically targeting the Jewish nation, not

the Netanyahu government, and not even the entire country of Israel which is comprised of many nationalities. Your intentions are beyond question.

Words matter, and you can't un-say them, especially considering how many times you gratuitously deployed this label. The plausible deniability of what you stated is long gone.

And your intention to use the same memes over and over again no matter what I want to call them could not have been stated any more clearly than you just did.

You are making my case for me.

[brush]

37. My apologies, but why doesn't Israel kick his ass to the curb...

then we can do away with the 'P' word?

[Beastly Boy]

38. Once again, a simplistic meme that avoids the complexities of what you are proposing.

How much do you know about Israel's democratic electoral system? How much do you know about the enormous diversity of what you are generically referring to as Israel as if ir were some sort of an authoritarian monolith that has the power to just kick anyone's ass at will?

And what does this simplistic proposal have to do with routinely deploying the same limited collection of dogmatic and overly simplistic expressions of partiality over and over again, except to reinforce the notion?

We could have done away with the "P" word long ago, by simply not repeating this ridiculous on its face meme at every opportunity.

[Beastly Boy]

4. Curious: there seem to have been no fatalities or injuries among the Hamas militants in Gaza. None.

According to the Hamas and local authorities.

Not a single one was reported by them, or the media that parrots them, in the one and a half years of fighting. Not a single eyewitness account. Like no one is waging war on Israel at all.

It is a miracle.

It's as if Hamas has no fighters and no weapons, and Israel is making shit up about the hostages and the missiles and RPGs being fired at their soldiers from schools and hospitals and refugee safe zones.

[AZLD4Candidate]

6. You heard it many times. Pariah nation. They can do nothing right except cease to exist

We all know local Hamas elected officials NEVER lie about anything. Or use people as human shields than claim Israel is killing them.

[Mosby]

7. Yeah, except when they release their own videos.

Here they are firing RPGs from inside of a food warehouse:

Link to tweet