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BumRushDaShow

(153,696 posts)
Thu May 15, 2025, 04:10 AM May 15

US homeland chief says illegal immigration levels could warrant suspending habeas corpus

Source: Aol/Reuters

Wed, May 14, 2025 at 4:54 PM EDT


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said on Wednesday that she believes recent levels of illegal immigration could provide a sufficient legal rationale to suspend habeas corpus, the right of someone in the U.S. to challenge their detention.

During a hearing before a U.S. House of Representatives committee, Noem said she thought high levels of illegal border crossings under former President Joe Biden qualified under the U.S. Constitution as a reason to suspend the fundamental right.

Representative Eli Crane, a Republican, asked Noem if she thought migrants illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border qualified as a "rebellion or invasion" that could allow for the suspension of habeas corpus.

"I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I believe it does," Noem said.

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"I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I believe it does," Noem said.


You are not a lawyer AT ALL and if you were, you should be disbarred.
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US homeland chief says illegal immigration levels could warrant suspending habeas corpus (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 15 OP
Damn straight 🤬 benfranklin1776 May 15 #1
"I'm not a constitutional lawyer"... ultralite001 May 15 #2
Such disregard for the Constitution liberalgunwilltravel May 15 #3
Well, Stephen Vladeck IS a Constitutional lawyer, and here's what he says: Tanuki May 15 #4
I'm not a psychiatrist, but I believe Noem is fucking insane. Talitha May 15 #5
No, little dude, nothing warrant suspending habeas corpus. republianmushroom May 15 #6
Maddow Blog-Kristi Noem flunks an important test on the basic meaning of habeas corpus LetMyPeopleVote May 20 #7
They can't find enough "illegals" to make their quotas travelingthrulife May 20 #8
There's something oddly creepy about Kristi Noem who didn't get her Bachelors Degree until she was 41 online LetMyPeopleVote May 24 #9

benfranklin1776

(6,881 posts)
1. Damn straight 🤬
Thu May 15, 2025, 06:00 AM
May 15

She clearly demonstrates that as she utterly fails in cosplaying one just like all of her other cosplay fails, and she ought to be first in the Nuremberg II tribunal dock for endorsing such dictatorial desecration. It’s not about some phantom invasion of “illegals” but rather giving Agent Orange the Hitlerian stranglehold on America he so desperately craves. 😡

ultralite001

(1,707 posts)
2. "I'm not a constitutional lawyer"...
Thu May 15, 2025, 06:31 AM
May 15

But I could play one on TV…

If Noem is the puppet… Is Stephen Miller really pulling her strings??? How do we find out for sure + then stop him???

3. Such disregard for the Constitution
Thu May 15, 2025, 07:01 AM
May 15

Could provide the rationale for a revolution and the removal of the fascists from the government. Keep pushing bitches.

Tanuki

(15,895 posts)
4. Well, Stephen Vladeck IS a Constitutional lawyer, and here's what he says:
Thu May 15, 2025, 07:11 AM
May 15
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/148-suspending-habeas-corpus

"....First, the Suspension Clause of the Constitution, which is in Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 is meant to limit the circumstances in which habeas can be foreclosed (Article I, Section 9 includes limits on Congress’s powers)—thereby ensuring that judicial review of detentions are otherwise available. (Note that it’s in the original Constitution—adopted before even the Bill of Rights.) I spent a good chunk of the first half of my career writing about habeas and its history, but the short version is that the Founders were hell-bent on limiting, to the most egregious emergencies, the circumstances in which courts could be cut out of the loop. To casually suggest that habeas might be suspended because courts have ruled against the executive branch in a handful of immigration cases is to turn the Suspension Clause entirely on its head.

Second, Miller is being slippery about the actual text of the Constitution (notwithstanding his claim that it is “clear”). The Suspension Clause does not say habeas can be suspended during any invasion; it says “The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.” This last part, with my emphasis, is not just window-dressing; again, the whole point is that the default is for judicial review except when there is a specific national security emergency in which judicial review could itself exacerbate the emergency. The emergency itself isn’t enough. Releasing someone like Rümeysa Öztürk from immigration detention poses no threat to public safety—all the more so when the release is predicated on a judicial determination that Öztürk … poses no threat to public safety.

Third, even if the textual triggers for suspending habeas corpus were satisfied, Miller also doesn’t deign to mention that the near-universal consensus is that only Congress can suspend habeas corpus—and that unilateral suspensions by the President are per se unconstitutional. I’ve written before about the Merryman case at the outset of the Civil War, which provides perhaps the strongest possible counterexample: that the President might be able to claim a unilateral suspension power if Congress is out of session (as it was from the outset of the Civil War in 1861 until July 4). Whatever the merits of that argument, it clearly has no applicability at this moment.
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Fifth, and finally, Miller gives away the game when he says “a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.” It’s not just the mafia-esque threat implicit in this statement (“I’ll make him an offer he can’t refuse”); it’s that he’s telling on himself: He’s suggesting that the administration would (unlawfully) suspend habeas corpus if (but apparently only if) it disagrees with how courts rule in these cases. In other words, it’s not the judicial review itself that’s imperiling national security; it’s the possibility that the government might lose. That’s not, and has never been, a viable argument for suspending habeas corpus. Were it otherwise, there’d be no point to having the writ in the first place—let alone to enshrining it in the Constitution.".... (more)

LetMyPeopleVote

(164,108 posts)
7. Maddow Blog-Kristi Noem flunks an important test on the basic meaning of habeas corpus
Tue May 20, 2025, 02:16 PM
May 20

The homeland security secretary was asked to define habeas corpus. Her outrageously wrong answer was humiliating — but it was also important.

It's tempting to laugh at Kristi Noem’s humiliating ignorance about the meaning of habeas corpus, but this isn’t just some embarrassing gaffe.

Given the scope of her powers, her cluelessness matters.

(And in a healthier environment, Noem would be forced to resign in embarrassment right about now.)

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-05-20T16:48:08.242Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kristi-noem-flunks-important-test-basic-meaning-habeas-corpus-rcna207982

There’s been considerable discussion in recent weeks about basic legal principles such as habeas corpus and the degree to which the Trump administration is hostile toward the bedrock foundations of the American system of government. What’s gone largely overlooked, however, is whether Trump administration officials have a high-school-civics-class-level understanding of what these legal principles are.

Take Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, for example. Axios reported:

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem botched questions about habeas corpus at a Senate hearing Tuesday, falsely asserting the check on the government’s power to detain people actually gives President Trump a “constitutional right” to conduct deportations.


There’s been considerable discussion in recent weeks about basic legal principles such as habeas corpus and the degree to which the Trump administration is hostile toward the bedrock foundations of the American system of government. What’s gone largely overlooked, however, is whether Trump administration officials have a high-school-civics-class-level understanding of what these legal principles are.

Take Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, for example. Axios reported:

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem botched questions about habeas corpus at a Senate hearing Tuesday, falsely asserting the check on the government’s power to detain people actually gives President Trump a “constitutional right” to conduct deportations.
https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/post/3lpmbmmjkjk2i?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fiframe.nbcnews.com%252FM7Qndazh



.....In case this weren’t quite enough, when Democratic Sen. Andy Kim of New Jersey asked the Cabinet secretary which part of the Constitution includes habeas corpus, Noem was again stumped.

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/post/3lpmdrjzm4k2i?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fiframe.nbcnews.com%252FlyrF0Vwh




The significance of this goes well beyond marveling at a powerful official’s ignorance. Earlier this month, Stephen Miller, a White House deputy chief of staff, told reporters that White House officials are “actively looking” at possibly suspending the writ of habeas corpus. If this were to happen, the Trump administration would have the power to lock people up without charges, and prisoners would not have the ability to contest their incarceration.

Eleven days after Miller made those comments, the homeland security secretary couldn’t even offer a basic definition of what habeas corpus is — despite the scope of her powers, and despite the fact that this legal principle has existed for the better part of a millennium.

In a healthier political environment, a fiasco such as this one would lead to credible discussion about whether Noem should be forced to resign in embarrassment.

LetMyPeopleVote

(164,108 posts)
9. There's something oddly creepy about Kristi Noem who didn't get her Bachelors Degree until she was 41 online
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:49 PM
May 24
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