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muriel_volestrangler

(103,925 posts)
Mon May 19, 2025, 05:08 PM May 19

Trump and Putin hold phone call but Kremlin refuses Ukraine ceasefire

Source: The Guardian

Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump have held a rare phone call, which the US leader described as “excellent,” but the Kremlin refused to agree to a ceasefire in the war with Ukraine, despite pressure from Washington and European allies.

Speaking to reporters in Sochi after the two-hour conversation on Monday, Putin described the call as “very meaningful and frank,” and said he was prepared to work with Ukraine on drafting a memorandum for future peace talks.

However, the Russian leader declined to support the US-proposed 30-day unconditional ceasefire, which Ukraine had already agreed to – and which Washington had framed as the call’s primary objective.

The Russian leader also suggested that his country’s maximalist objectives in the war with Ukraine remain unchanged.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/19/trump-and-putin-hold-phone-call-but-kremlin-refuses-ukraine-ceasefire



Trump calls it "excellent"; but basically it seems to be that Trump is going to give up. I suppose that might help, overall.

Donald Trump:

He says the talks show "progress", but suggests it should be left for the warring countries to decide the conditions for a ceasefire between themselves

Vladimir Putin:

The Russian leader tells reporters that Russia is ready to work with Ukraine on reaching a memorandum for peace and is prepared to discuss "compromises" - though he doesn't clarify what this would involve

Volodymyr Zelensky:

Ukraine's president suggests that he is considering a "high-level" meeting between Ukraine, Russia, the US, EU countries and Britain to end the war
Zelensky also urges the US to not distance itself from discussions, adding that "what’s needed is a mirrored readiness from Russia to engage in meaningful talks"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz9y5xy81jqt?post=asset%3A28e1df79-253c-4c34-acf0-34895cb67819#post
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Trump and Putin hold phone call but Kremlin refuses Ukraine ceasefire (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler May 19 OP
It seems "Day One" comes later each year. JohnnyRingo May 19 #1
I heard an interview with JD Vance today and he said we've done everything we can do Deuxcents May 19 #2
JD ... sheshe2 May 19 #3
Call transcript excerpt BaronChocula May 19 #4
😂 Yam Tits in a halter top kkmarie May 20 #9
Yam Tits ! BaronChocula May 20 #12
Someone on bluesky called him that kkmarie May 20 #13
Trump can't order Putin to stop, and he never could. Safe as Milk May 19 #5
Were we able to record their conversation (tsf & Putin) KS Toronado May 19 #6
Putin Talks About Talks DallasNE May 20 #7
Do you think Stinky will ever realize Putin doesn't want peace but Ray Bruns May 20 #8
Amazing to me, everytime Krasnov talks to Putin kkmarie May 20 #10
Mango Mussolini lonely bird May 20 #11

Deuxcents

(22,721 posts)
2. I heard an interview with JD Vance today and he said we've done everything we can do
Mon May 19, 2025, 05:17 PM
May 19

And maybe it’s time to walk away from “Biden’s war”. This is Not Biden’s war..it’s Putin’s war and TSF is unable to convince his good friend to bring this to an end. The interviewer did not correct him. 🤬

BaronChocula

(2,850 posts)
4. Call transcript excerpt
Mon May 19, 2025, 08:03 PM
May 19

PUTIN: What you are wearing Kraz?
KRASNOV: A halter top and Daisy Dukes, sir.
PUTIN: You are kneeling, yes?
...

Safe as Milk

(119 posts)
5. Trump can't order Putin to stop, and he never could.
Mon May 19, 2025, 08:27 PM
May 19

He's just running another scam. Putin WILL NOT STOP THE INVASION. The ONLY way the war will stop is when Putin is dead. He will NOT capitulate. Ever. He won't quit with two million Russians dead. Or 4 million. This is the hill that Putin will die on. Whatever Trump says means nothing to Putin. It's Trump who's running the scam as the king who can move mountains. Trump can't tie his shoes. His only constructive move is to back UKR, and he won't do that, either, because he wants to conquer Russia and build a hotel in Moscow. And he'll never do that, either. NO ONE has ever suggested that Trump has delusions of grandeur. Why not?

KS Toronado

(21,054 posts)
6. Were we able to record their conversation (tsf & Putin)
Mon May 19, 2025, 10:03 PM
May 19

like our laws mandate so EVERYBODY knows what was said or did the tsf again make sure no
one would ever know what they talked about?

DallasNE

(7,810 posts)
7. Putin Talks About Talks
Tue May 20, 2025, 07:30 AM
May 20

Under current circumstances talks are a waste of time. What is needed is pressure on Russia in the form of tighter sanctions on Russia in conjunction with increased shipments of arms to Ukraine. Especially more air defense systems to protect the civilians and longer range weapons that can knock out railroad bridges and more munitions. You have to change conditions on the grounds in order to improve conditions for talks. This is a war of attrition.

kkmarie

(196 posts)
10. Amazing to me, everytime Krasnov talks to Putin
Tue May 20, 2025, 08:14 AM
May 20

about ceasefires or peace. Putin immediately bombs Ukraine.

I just don't think it's coincidence. I also don't think they talk about peace. I think it's those 2 assholes putting pressure on Zelenskyy to surrender Ukraine.

Edit: to add that overnight Russia attacked Ukraine with drones

lonely bird

(2,363 posts)
11. Mango Mussolini
Tue May 20, 2025, 08:30 AM
May 20

Said the phone call was “excellent”.

What the actual fuck does that mean?

This brain damaged imbecile needs to be removed, period. The the Republican Party needs to be destroyed.

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