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BumRushDaShow

(153,696 posts)
Sat May 24, 2025, 07:50 AM May 24

US officials visit Alcatraz amid Trump's plan to reopen island prison

Source: The Guardian

Fri 23 May 2025 19.04 EDT
Last modified on Fri 23 May 2025 19.51 EDT


Federal prison officials visited Alcatraz last week after Donald Trump’s announcement earlier this month of plans to rebuild and reopen the infamous island prison, which has been closed for over 60 years. David Smith, the superintendent of the Golden Gate national recreation area (GGNRA), told the San Francisco Chronicle that officials with the Federal Bureau of Prisons are planning to return for further structural assessments.

“They have been out here. They’ll be coming out again to do assessments of the structure,” Smith told the news outlet. The island facility has been closed since 1963, when then attorney general Robert F Kennedy ordered its shutdown amid high operating costs, limited space and multiple escape attempts.

BOP director William Marshall told Fox News that engineering teams are already surveying the site. “We’ve got engineering teams out there now that are doing some assessments, and so I’m just really excited about the opportunity and possibilities,” he said. In recent months, the US government has moved to reopen at least five previously closed detention centers and prisons.

Although California lawmakers have dismissed the Alcatraz proposal as a “distraction” and not a serious plan, the Trump administration is actively working – with the help of private prison companies – to reopen other facilities, some of which are already back in operation.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/23/trump-alcatraz-prison



A DUer rightly bemoaned - "WHAT FRESH HELL?"
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US officials visit Alcatraz amid Trump's plan to reopen island prison (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 24 OP
Regimentation, detention, incarceration, lack of due process bucolic_frolic May 24 #1
The overall picture is rather horrifying PatSeg May 24 #21
inane creon May 24 #2
Just another demented whim that Trump thinks is genius. ananda May 24 #9
el gringo loco creon May 24 #31
He should demolish it and build a golf course there. Autumn May 24 #3
Bravo! 4th May 24 #4
Sure, let's spend a few hundred grand on engineering consultants followed by $100 billion or so sinkingfeeling May 24 #5
Jeez! Elect a clown, expect a circus. Where's DOGE on his latest whacky idea? surfered May 24 #6
I visited Alcatraz 25 years ago gab13by13 May 24 #7
I would be in favor of him being moved in there rurallib May 24 #8
If they continue to look at that as a "viable" facility BumRushDaShow May 24 #10
Yep. Most cells are solitary confinement. johnnyfins May 24 #11
And possibly the old Graterford prison (since SCI Phoenix is open now) BumRushDaShow May 24 #17
Forgot that one johnnyfins May 24 #22
Is Andersonville an option? Is Devil's Island an opportunity for off shore imprisonment? displacedvermoter May 24 #29
My first thought too. Then there is Waverly Hills. appleannie1 May 24 #15
Will it be renamed Gullf of Auschwitz ? twodogsbarking May 24 #12
More wasted money! PortTack May 24 #13
Another waste of tax dollars like the wall. Rebuilding bridges would make more sense. appleannie1 May 24 #14
Maybe Orange Julius Caesar will change his mind and tear down the facility generalbetrayus May 24 #16
RUMP has the emotional maturity and impulsiveness of a 12-year-old William Seger May 24 #18
Hey lonely bird May 24 #33
LOL, but there's a specific reason I peg it at 12 William Seger May 25 #41
it is now a very expensive piece of land AlexSFCA May 24 #19
Just imagine the cost per prisoner. BradBo May 24 #20
5 other closed prisons as well Figarosmom May 24 #23
When we take back the Presidency orangecrush May 24 #24
Rump has been convicted of 34 felonies. Wolf Frankula May 24 #25
No need to do any repairs. ChazInAz May 24 #30
What fresh hell is right. How many of these narcissistic fantasies are we gonna be forced to participate in? Walleye May 24 #26
Spend, spend, spend but not on food, healthcare, education or infrastructure. Deuxcents May 24 #27
are they going to re-open Manzanar as well? DBoon May 24 #28
I believe we're at the pre-concepts of a plan stage Prairie Gates May 24 #32
Well based on the millions wasted to try to prepare to send 30,000 immigrants to Guantanamo BumRushDaShow May 24 #36
Has anyone mentioned Gulag yet? If not, GULAG ! rickford66 May 24 #34
Oh, how I wish I was Captain of that ferry boat usonian May 24 #35
All just because he watched fucking Escape from Alcatraz. His incoherent rant about "movies" when asked about this Karasu May 24 #37
What movies should be arranged for him to watch Blue Full Moon May 24 #38
..After its closure, the island took on a second life as a site of Indigenous resistance. In 1969, a group of Native Ame riversedge May 24 #39
FUCK DONALD TRUMP YoshidaYui May 24 #40

PatSeg

(50,277 posts)
21. The overall picture is rather horrifying
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:49 PM
May 24

and that is just taking into account what we know. There could be more going on behind the scenes. It is pretty easy to see what the price of dissent will be in this country going forward.

ananda

(31,921 posts)
9. Just another demented whim that Trump thinks is genius.
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:51 AM
May 24

All these stupid whims sure are adding up.

At least Canada and Greenland are off the table... for now.

Destruction of every single good things in America
is proceeding apace.

Autumn

(47,919 posts)
3. He should demolish it and build a golf course there.
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:00 AM
May 24

Then WE build a fucking fence around it.

sinkingfeeling

(55,289 posts)
5. Sure, let's spend a few hundred grand on engineering consultants followed by $100 billion or so
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:10 AM
May 24

to rebuild a tourist attraction.

gab13by13

(28,315 posts)
7. I visited Alcatraz 25 years ago
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:29 AM
May 24

and it was in disrepair.

Won't see Krasnov visit that island, too windy, his sage brush would blow off.

BumRushDaShow

(153,696 posts)
10. If they continue to look at that as a "viable" facility
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:51 AM
May 24

I wouldn't be surprised if they try to co-opt Eastern State Penitentiary over here in Philly (also a tourist attraction), as it was decommissioned about a decade later than Alcatraz - in the 'early '70s).



(we are in that type of Twilight Zone world now )

johnnyfins

(2,143 posts)
11. Yep. Most cells are solitary confinement.
Sat May 24, 2025, 09:41 AM
May 24

Each one having its own little exercise yard. .

We joke, but they are looking at EVERY closed facility in the country. Probably Holmesburg too.

displacedvermoter

(3,801 posts)
29. Is Andersonville an option? Is Devil's Island an opportunity for off shore imprisonment?
Sat May 24, 2025, 03:14 PM
May 24

Can prison ships be deployed to New York harbor?

generalbetrayus

(951 posts)
16. Maybe Orange Julius Caesar will change his mind and tear down the facility
Sat May 24, 2025, 11:08 AM
May 24

and turn the island into Merde-a-Lardo West.

William Seger

(11,656 posts)
18. RUMP has the emotional maturity and impulsiveness of a 12-year-old
Sat May 24, 2025, 11:30 AM
May 24

... and now he's suffering from a delusional state called power psychosis -- a mental illness caused by having too much unchecked power. In fact, he has replaced Putin and other dictators as the textbook example of power psychosis. And he is a Dunning-Kruger basket case, so there's absolutely no point in trying to explain to him why the things he does are idiotic.

William Seger

(11,656 posts)
41. LOL, but there's a specific reason I peg it at 12
Sun May 25, 2025, 01:09 AM
May 25

Psychologists (and my experience with four kids) say that, around that age, most kids go through a narcissistic phase, but most outgrow it, or at least it's not their predominant behavior. Some, however, suffer from "arrested development" and are raging narcissists for the entire life -- no fully effective therapy has been found.

AlexSFCA

(6,307 posts)
19. it is now a very expensive piece of land
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:22 PM
May 24

It collects revenue from tourism, converting it into active prison would be a huge waste of money. There is plenty of cheap land to build prisons.

Figarosmom

(6,013 posts)
23. 5 other closed prisons as well
Sat May 24, 2025, 01:35 PM
May 24

I wonder why they need so much additional prison space? Doesn't bode well. Stinks of concentration camps.

ChazInAz

(2,917 posts)
30. No need to do any repairs.
Sat May 24, 2025, 03:19 PM
May 24

Just lock him and his co-conspirators in as it is. Constant video coverage of the entire island. Air drop supplies once a week and let them fight for them, with the resultant carnage being broadcast nightly so we can keep score of the survivors.
Kind of geriatric "Lord of The Flies".

Walleye

(40,734 posts)
26. What fresh hell is right. How many of these narcissistic fantasies are we gonna be forced to participate in?
Sat May 24, 2025, 02:43 PM
May 24

Prairie Gates

(5,143 posts)
32. I believe we're at the pre-concepts of a plan stage
Sat May 24, 2025, 04:18 PM
May 24

More idiotic nonsense wasting everybody's time and money over some trolling bullshit.

BumRushDaShow

(153,696 posts)
36. Well based on the millions wasted to try to prepare to send 30,000 immigrants to Guantanamo
Sat May 24, 2025, 05:19 PM
May 24

where they even bought and started setting up large tents and whatnot, and then realized there was no AC for the tents, let alone the fact that they didn't have 30,000 to put there, they finally decided to abandon that far-fetched crap. This was their reality show "photo op" thing-



They ended up shipping the couple hundred who were sent there, back to the U.S. and put them in detention in Louisiana, and that is when the lawsuits started flying.

So don't put it past them to make a ridiculous "attempt" to engage in more "waste, fraud, and abuse", and then find it fail.

Karasu

(1,269 posts)
37. All just because he watched fucking Escape from Alcatraz. His incoherent rant about "movies" when asked about this
Sat May 24, 2025, 05:39 PM
May 24

on-camera makes that very, very fucking obvious.

This is juvenile and stupid as hell. But what else would you expect?

riversedge

(75,822 posts)
39. ..After its closure, the island took on a second life as a site of Indigenous resistance. In 1969, a group of Native Ame
Sat May 24, 2025, 07:37 PM
May 24


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/06/alcatraz-tourists-trump-prison-reaction

...........After its closure, the island took on a second life as a site of Indigenous resistance. In 1969, a group of Native American activists occupied Alcatraz, declaring it sovereign Indigenous land in an act of protest against broken treaties and systemic neglect. The 19-month occupation galvanized the modern Indigenous rights movement, whose legacy endures today.

“I think it should remain what it is, a national monument,” said Jacqueline Kemokai, a retired nurse from Tampa, Florida, who was moved by that history. “They’ve taken so much of the past away already and there needs to be something left behind to keep our memories going.”

Visitors view the cellblock during a visit Alcatraz the day after Trump’s declaration.
Visitors view the cellblock during a visit to Alcatraz the day after Trump’s declaration. Photograph: Fred Greaves/Reuters

It’s a history that’s alive and well for Morning Star Gali, a member of the Ajumawi band of Pit River Tribe. For the past 16 years, Gali has been organizing the largest sunrise ceremony in the US on Alcatraz on behalf of the International Indian Treaty Council. The events, hosted in November on Indigenous People’s Day and Thanksgiving, attract thousands of people, including members of more than 300 tribes from across the US.

Turning Alcatraz back into a prison would end the sunrise ceremonies, said Gali, who has been attending them since she was a child and got her name, Morning Star, there. For her, Alcatraz is a sacred site of Indigenous resistance and resilience. “Reopening Alcatraz as a prison would not just be an act of historical erasure – it would be a declaration that this country is doubling down on its most violent legacies,” she said by phone. “That’s where the first California Indian leaders were imprisoned, and that’s a history that’s still not widely shared.”
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