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riversedge

(75,822 posts)
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:32 PM Sunday

Zelenskyy Kept Trump In The Dark And Didn't Tell Him About Attack On Russian Bombers

Source: politicususa.com




Likely because Trump could not be trusted, Ukraine did not tell the Trump administration about their planned strategic attack on 41 Russian bombers.

Jason Easley Jun 01, 2025



Zelenskyy and Ukraine understand a fundamental truth. Since Donald Trump took office, the United States can no longer be trusted to act in the best interest of democracies around the world.

.....................

Axios reported:



Ukraine did not notify the Trump administration of the attack in advance, a Ukrainian official said. A U.S. official also told reporters the Trump administration was not made aware of the attack.

A Ukrainian official told Axios the operation was conducted by the country's security service and was planned for more than a year.

Read more: https://www.politicususa.com/p/zelenskyy-kept-trump-in-the-dark



I am glad the Trump was not told.



Zelenskyy Kept Trump In The Dark And Didn't Tell Him About Attack On Russian Bombers

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Zelenskyy Kept Trump In The Dark And Didn't Tell Him About Attack On Russian Bombers (Original Post) riversedge Sunday OP
TSF turned his back on Z and there's no reason why he should have to tell him his battle plans. Deuxcents Sunday #1
After Trump and Jared DENVERPOPS Sunday #35
Might be the time to reveal a false operation The Madcap Sunday #2
Yup SheltieLover Sunday #3
Just thought the SAME THING after reading the headline. Callie1979 Sunday #27
I suspect they've probably already done this. FuzzyRabbit Sunday #42
BINGO orangecrush Monday #97
shithole would have told Putin... Lovie777 Sunday #4
Trump has a big mouth. Srkdqltr Sunday #5
And thats all Callie1979 Sunday #28
Keeping information away from moniss Sunday #6
Zelensky could pass false information to Trump and see if filters to Moscow; and I don't mean Moscow Mitch. twodogsbarking Sunday #7
Lol! Hornedfrog2000 Monday #62
I'll bet Z is not the only one who murielm99 Sunday #8
Did Ukraine tell anyone? Bok_Tukalo Sunday #9
The conflict isn't between Ukraine's European allies and Trump, House of Roberts Sunday #21
Need to know only! BidenRocks Sunday #54
Trump isn't just a security risk MadameButterfly Monday #87
I have never understood how TSF can openly support Putin... Trueblue Texan Monday #94
It's the opposite of what their hero Reagan stood for MadameButterfly Yesterday #99
Zelensky did not inform Biden prior to Ukraine's Kursk incursion last autumn GregariousGroundhog Monday #89
Hard to say, based on the little we are privy to. House of Roberts Monday #90
Loose lips sink ships. greatauntoftriplets Sunday #10
And we all know, the Felon has the loosest lips when it comes to Putin. Buddyzbuddy Sunday #15
Except when they're stuck to Putin's butt. colorado_ufo Sunday #29
Next time in White House @ZelenskyyUa will wear a suit. riversedge Sunday #11
Includes the King of Drones. Sneederbunk Sunday #19
I have so much respect for Zelinsky proud patriot Sunday #12
Z is a smart, steadfast courageous leader. The Complete opposite of tRump. nt ImNotGod Sunday #13
That is interesting, I saw the opposite earlier today Nictuku Sunday #14
It WOULD be nice if we WERE told & kept it secret. Callie1979 Sunday #30
The original version of the Axios article reported that the US *was* notified. sl8 Sunday #34
Yes, and I just heard (on a youtube video by Greg Terry) that Axios withdrew its earlier reporting. Nictuku Sunday #40
"I recall someone reporting that the US" Prairie Gates Sunday #50
I watched about 20 videos on Ukraine today, Nictuku Monday #57
I can certainly see why Ukraine would not inform the putler-loving niyad Sunday #16
Yes indeed! benfranklin1776 Sunday #24
Of course they didn't tell him. Why would they tell their enemy's best friend? Iggo Sunday #17
But somebody else knew beforehand... Billsdaughter Sunday #18
Trump has been reported to have DENVERPOPS Sunday #38
I just wonder.... slightlv Sunday #39
It's not just trump that broke that trust. LuvLoogie Monday #71
Yet another smart move by Zelenskyy. (nt) Paladin Sunday #20
Why would Zelensky tell Mump? It was suppose to Cha Sunday #22
Nelson knew.. Exp Sunday #23
Tulsi would have been on the hotline in two minutes. rubbersole Sunday #25
"Likely because Trump could not be trusted." dchill Sunday #26
Likely my ass Iamscrewed Sunday #31
Hegseth would have been chatting about it on signal Walleye Sunday #32
trumps head is always in the dark. republianmushroom Sunday #33
Trump and Zelensky... different styles. Norrrm Sunday #36
Interestingly, the first version of the article specifically reported that the US *was* notified: sl8 Sunday #37
Trump probably blew a gasket and demanded Axios retract intrepidity Monday #80
Trump Would Have Blabbed It To Putin DallasNE Sunday #41
I was so happy seeing this today ! kimbutgar Sunday #43
And it's not just Trump who can't be trusted - J_William_Ryan Sunday #44
""" AllaN01Bear Sunday #45
Well, I mean hildegaard28 Sunday #46
Smart cabotnn22 Sunday #47
Of COURSE NOT! Since that would be the same thing as telling Russia, Jack Valentino Sunday #48
"highchair hitler"!!! I nearly scared my kitty! THANK YOU!!! niyad Sunday #53
Ah, that wasn't mine.... got it from someone else here, can't remember who--- Jack Valentino Sunday #55
I am very glad that you did. niyad Sunday #56
Love Highchair Hitler! travelingthrulife Monday #74
10 years ago American intel would have known it was coming whether or not Ukraine shared it Prairie Gates Sunday #49
Since Putin doesn't tell Trump when he plans a massive attack on Ukraine, Marie Marie Sunday #51
no one with any sense will tell the Trump Admin anything creon Sunday #52
Not the first time. Grins Monday #58
Trump or the republicans cannot be trusted. Absolutely. JohnSJ Monday #59
Time for Zekelenssky to give TACO Hassler Monday #60
Trump obviously can't be trusted with ANY classified information thought crime Monday #61
And putin has nobody to blame but himself. You know putin told trump to defund Ukraine. C Moon Monday #63
Zelenskyy should plant some disinformation Old Crank Monday #64
Why would Zelenskyy tell a russian asset what he was doing? Mr. Sparkle Monday #65
Smart guy. You cannot trust tRump with information ecstatic Monday #66
Every time I see him I think Lulu KC Monday #67
Just like the Obama Administration did not tell Pakistan before they went after bin Laden. Botany Monday #68
Why tell Trunp anything? He's a Russian puppet. NNadir Monday #69
Several reasons Zelensky did not tell Trump. AverageOldGuy Monday #70
Why Kid Berwyn Monday #72
Very well written Botany Monday #85
Thank you! Kid Berwyn Monday #88
I thought that 2016 and Trump getting into the White House was the result of the largest international.. Botany Monday #93
First rule of protecting your country from an aggressor is don't inform their spies of your intentions. MLAA Monday #73
Because Trump is clearly on the Russian side and would tip off Putin. IronLionZion Monday #75
Smart move lest the Traitor-in-Chief tipped off the Russians. InAbLuEsTaTe Monday #76
Good. nt Tommy Carcetti Monday #77
Thank God! get the red out Monday #78
Yeah, why inform a Russian agent? Mysterian Monday #79
Trump probably would take the credit tavernier Monday #81
Not just Ukraine Bluetus Monday #82
I saw an interesting take k_buddy762 Monday #83
Trump turned his back on Ukraine - President Zelenskyy doesn't have to notifiy him of sh*t. iluvtennis Monday #84
As well he should talking to TSF is talking to Putin. Dem4life1970 Monday #86
Good. The President of the USA is a Putin bitch. Joinfortmill Monday #91
A real leader always knows a phoney. republianmushroom Monday #92
Vance wasn't in the loop either. Sneederbunk Monday #95
Well....duh! Trump would have blabbed to his pal Putin. Trump is not Ukraine's ally. Martin68 Monday #96
Absolutely, because Mango Mussolini Delphinus Monday #98

Deuxcents

(22,426 posts)
1. TSF turned his back on Z and there's no reason why he should have to tell him his battle plans.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:36 PM
Sunday

One bitten twice shy kinda thing… but in military terms. Good on Ukraine 🇺🇦

DENVERPOPS

(12,426 posts)
35. After Trump and Jared
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:14 PM
Sunday

No nation, especially NATO nation, will EVER share ANY intelligence with the U.S. Again
Trump is quickly ended his military information and usefulness to Putin..............

Ukraine is exhausting Russia's supply of everything military, and Putin has no money to buy or make replacements......

The Madcap

(1,205 posts)
2. Might be the time to reveal a false operation
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:41 PM
Sunday

Document it in advance and release the story to the press after the present administration betrays them to Putin.

Callie1979

(739 posts)
27. Just thought the SAME THING after reading the headline.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 08:53 PM
Sunday

Although reading the initial story elsewhere my first thought was "they must not have told the US"

Lovie777

(18,701 posts)
4. shithole would have told Putin...
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:42 PM
Sunday

tusi is a Russian agent. I’m pretty sure NATO ain’t sharing much intelligence.

twodogsbarking

(13,843 posts)
7. Zelensky could pass false information to Trump and see if filters to Moscow; and I don't mean Moscow Mitch.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:47 PM
Sunday

Hornedfrog2000

(222 posts)
62. Lol!
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 03:37 AM
Monday

There is literally no point to it. It would only prove one thing. Republicans wouldnt care about trump selling out Ukraine. We all know who Krasnov works for..

murielm99

(31,976 posts)
8. I'll bet Z is not the only one who
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:48 PM
Sunday

doesn't keep TSF fully informed. TSF would blab everyone's business to Putin.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,481 posts)
9. Did Ukraine tell anyone?
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 06:52 PM
Sunday

If not, then this is an attempt to create conflict and drama where none exists. If Germany, Poland, France, etc knew but the US didn’t, then it is a story. If not, this is bullshit clickbait hackery.

House of Roberts

(6,042 posts)
21. The conflict isn't between Ukraine's European allies and Trump,
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 08:27 PM
Sunday

the conflict is between would Zelensky have told Biden (or Harris), and the fact that he wouldn't tell the biggest security risk in the so-called free world.

MadameButterfly

(3,013 posts)
87. Trump isn't just a security risk
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:21 AM
Monday

He's for Putin and against Ukraine. Why would you tell your enemy your battle plans? If you want to be included, you have to act like an ally. (Besides not b eing a security risk).

Trueblue Texan

(3,365 posts)
94. I have never understood how TSF can openly support Putin...
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 12:45 PM
Monday

...and openly betray Ukraine, a nation we have supported with billions in arms in their war against Russia, and not be considered a traitor under the law. I guess since he "is the government" it doesn't matter.

MadameButterfly

(3,013 posts)
99. It's the opposite of what their hero Reagan stood for
Tue Jun 3, 2025, 09:00 AM
Yesterday

Fighting the 'Evil Empire." They still spout anti-communism while supporting a guy from the KGB.

It turns out the leaders of the GOP don't believe in anything but their own power and wealth, and the base can be snookered into anything.

GregariousGroundhog

(7,584 posts)
89. Zelensky did not inform Biden prior to Ukraine's Kursk incursion last autumn
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:55 AM
Monday

If Kamala had won, I doubt Zelensky would have told her about this drone strike. There is a lot to lose if this sort of information leaks and little to gain by sharing it with their allies.

House of Roberts

(6,042 posts)
90. Hard to say, based on the little we are privy to.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 11:06 AM
Monday

But the distance inside Russia these attacks occurred, and the concern for providing weapons with the range to strike deep into Russia earlier in the conflict, a heads up to one's allies that a strike this deep would take place would give those allies the chance to get their story straight when the news broke. We're finding out, once again through proxy, the tactics that will be seen in future wars, and how expensive machines can be neutralized on the cheap.

riversedge

(75,822 posts)
11. Next time in White House @ZelenskyyUa will wear a suit.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:08 PM
Sunday

Recall that when Zalenskyy left the WH, Trump said he did not have all the cards!!


Next time in White House @ZelenskyyUa
will wear a suit.


proud patriot

(101,992 posts)
12. I have so much respect for Zelinsky
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:15 PM
Sunday

He's a smart man.

I miss the days when we had a president who could read and play chess.

Nictuku

(4,231 posts)
14. That is interesting, I saw the opposite earlier today
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 07:52 PM
Sunday

In all the reporting on this that I've been listening to, I recall someone reporting that the US was told about it, and didn't stop it.

However, when I just tried to find something to back that up, I only saw articles about the event itself.

On a few websites, that I don't consider 'reliable', I see it being reported that Trump was not notified.

I'd love to know the truth to the matter. Recent reporting has said that TSF doesn't even listen to daily briefing by intelligence. So maybe that is why. Or... equally interesting, it could be that someone in the US military was notified about it, but the info was withheld from TSF (because he can't be trusted), but that is just speculation on my part. If I see any more info about it, I'll post the links here.

In the politicusa.com article (above, but from Axios), it just says 'A Ukrainian Offical' and 'A US Official', but no names.

The Truth is Out There (and I want to know it!) Keeping my mind open at the moment on this. I kind of like the idea of Ukrainians putting out a false flag that would force Russia to show if someone leaked it to them. But that is another story for another time.

In the mean time: Slava Ukraine!

Callie1979

(739 posts)
30. It WOULD be nice if we WERE told & kept it secret.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 08:56 PM
Sunday

But I'd bet my neighbors paycheck that they DIDNT tell us. And for damn good reasons.

Nictuku

(4,231 posts)
40. Yes, and I just heard (on a youtube video by Greg Terry) that Axios withdrew its earlier reporting.
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:24 PM
Sunday

Prairie Gates

(5,143 posts)
50. "I recall someone reporting that the US"
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:51 PM
Sunday

"I recall" is quite the citation for something that happened literally today.

Nictuku

(4,231 posts)
57. I watched about 20 videos on Ukraine today,
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 12:07 AM
Monday

I couldn't recall which one it was that reported - what was first reported by Axios (that the US /was/ told), and then later reversed by Axios - (See above post with link to original article before the change)

I can list all the videos channels with Ukraine updates that I watch daily if you like, (but I didn't think that would help anyone, really): Warthog, Jake Broe, Professor Gerdes, Greg Terry Experience, Reporting from Ukraine, Operator Starsky, Denis Davydov, Artur Rehi, and Ukraine Matters.

Seriously, I couldn't recall which channel I had seen the report that the US /had/ been told. But I know I heard it and wanted to know the truth of the issue. That is why I tried to look it up independently, and couldn't find it. By that time Axios had already recalled it.

Hopefully that settles your dilemma, or would it be better if I just shut up and not make comments at all on what I /know/ I had heard earlier in the day - / for dread of having to face comments bathed in criticism? /sarcasm off

Or am I reading the passive aggressive comment all wrong here? If I am, I'll own it. It probably would have been better if I just ignored it.

benfranklin1776

(6,881 posts)
24. Yes indeed!
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 08:35 PM
Sunday

It would be like Churchill telling Mussolini about D-Day. Trump is Putin’s lap quisling so he’s on a need to know nothing basis. ✊🏼

Billsdaughter

(13 posts)
18. But somebody else knew beforehand...
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 08:18 PM
Sunday

JOSEPH ROBINETTE BIDEN JR. That should move along Trump's psychotic break nicely.

DENVERPOPS

(12,426 posts)
38. Trump has been reported to have
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:20 PM
Sunday

cut off all the normal briefings from Biden, which were customarily given to former presidents..........You can bet there are still people in the Intel community who are best friends with Biden........

slightlv

(5,633 posts)
39. I just wonder....
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:21 PM
Sunday

there's no reason for Biden NOT to be told, as there is precedent. There's always conflicts between personalities, and some just meld together better. Of course, trump takes the extreme conflict to the extreme. But if it's been planned for over a year, I'd not be at all surprised in Z had told Biden about it. And yes, that would break trumps head wide open! (LOL)

Besides, it's now a well known fact that the United States cannot be trusted as a fair ally any longer... not in action and not in words. If trump had known, the very first thing he'd have done would have been to call putin and tell him. Z is a smart man.

And yes, I too, would like to see a false flag situation setup with trump as the rump. Quid pro to the quo! Set up trump to be shown absolutely and very publicly in a lie... with visual evidence.

Doing these two things could bring on a stroke... poor old man! /snark

LuvLoogie

(8,038 posts)
71. It's not just trump that broke that trust.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 08:28 AM
Monday

They have been enabling this racist traitor for the last 10nyars. The GOPs gave been all-in with Russia too, since at least their 4th of July outing to Moscow several years ago.

sl8

(16,560 posts)
37. Interestingly, the first version of the article specifically reported that the US *was* notified:
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:15 PM
Sunday
https://web.archive.org/web/20250601154849/https://www.axios.com/2025/06/01/ukraine-drone-strikes-russia

Ukraine did notify the Trump administration of the attack in advance, a Ukrainian official said.

intrepidity

(8,285 posts)
80. Trump probably blew a gasket and demanded Axios retract
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 09:49 AM
Monday

Regardless of the facts, there's no way Trump would want Putin thinking the US knew but didn't warn him.

kimbutgar

(25,204 posts)
43. I was so happy seeing this today !
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:46 PM
Sunday

And seeing the orange Hitler being humiliated and ignored. The little orange chicken must be soooooo pissed he was kept out of the loop!

J_William_Ryan

(2,772 posts)
44. And it's not just Trump who can't be trusted -
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 09:49 PM
Sunday

the entire American intelligence community has been compromised by Trump and is suspect.

Trump, forever Putin’s useful idiot.

Jack Valentino

(2,160 posts)
48. Of COURSE NOT! Since that would be the same thing as telling Russia,
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:47 PM
Sunday

Highchair Hitler would be on the phone to his handler Putin
in two shakes of his TACO tail...

Jack Valentino

(2,160 posts)
55. Ah, that wasn't mine.... got it from someone else here, can't remember who---
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:16 PM
Sunday

but I made sure to save it to my mental hard drive!




oh, I even wrote that one down somewhere.... lol

Prairie Gates

(5,143 posts)
49. 10 years ago American intel would have known it was coming whether or not Ukraine shared it
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 10:48 PM
Sunday

Now we've decimated our human intel and nobody with an ounce of sense will share jack shit with Trump Putin.

Marie Marie

(10,200 posts)
51. Since Putin doesn't tell Trump when he plans a massive attack on Ukraine,
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:06 PM
Sunday

it seems like no body trusts him to be in the loop on anything. Every one knows that Trump is a fool and an idiot. Stay strong Zelensky, you are a true leader for your people and your country.

Grins

(8,421 posts)
58. Not the first time.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 12:13 AM
Monday

In 2019 the CIA with JSOC launched an attack to kill al-Baghdadi.

They DIDN’T tell Trump until minutes before the assault launched. Because they were afraid Trump would tell Putin!

Because they had a reason:

In 2017 Trump ordered a missile strike on Syria.
59 Cruise missiles were launched.
Despite being in the target zone, not one Russian, or any Russian equipment, was injured or destroyed.
Trump told Putin well in advance so they were not in the attack zone.

Old Crank

(5,711 posts)
64. Zelenskyy should plant some disinformation
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 06:23 AM
Monday

with Trump and see how fast it gets to the Kremlin.

ecstatic

(34,791 posts)
66. Smart guy. You cannot trust tRump with information
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 06:50 AM
Monday

Republicans need to really start thinking hard about the role they want the United States to play in the world going forward. Nobody is going to be telling tRump shit.

Lulu KC

(8,113 posts)
67. Every time I see him I think
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 07:07 AM
Monday

"Can't we have him?"
Can Ukraine annex the US after they win the war? Please?

Botany

(74,315 posts)
68. Just like the Obama Administration did not tell Pakistan before they went after bin Laden.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 07:10 AM
Monday

Obama knew that Pakistan was knowingly giving Osama bin Laden sanctuary less then
a few miles from their military training academy and President Zelenskyy knows that
Trump is Russian dirty and he would warn Vlad that the attack was coming.

Trump is a traitor to America and its allies as well. End of story.

AverageOldGuy

(2,616 posts)
70. Several reasons Zelensky did not tell Trump.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 08:04 AM
Monday

1. He knew Trump would have posted the coming attack on Truth Social as well as alerting Putin.

2. He knew SECDEF Hogsbreath would have lighted up his Signal app, told Ms. Hogsbreath, and alerted the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic.

Kid Berwyn

(20,534 posts)
72. Why
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 08:28 AM
Monday
Donald J Trump represents the most successful spy operation of all time. And thanks to Just-us John Roberts redefining the meaning of "Insurrection" and the very words of the Constitution of the United States of America, an active Russian agent has been allowed to return to the Oval Office to again "serve" as the pee-residunce.



Normally, I'd say: "Think about that!" But, destroying truth is what tyrants do. It's why they hate a free press.

It's why trumpf is doing all he can to sue anyone who ever wrote anything bad about him. Now he has the DoJ doing his dirty work and handing the legal bill to the U.S. taxpayer.

The photo of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and dip above was taken by TASS, the official Russian news agency. The US media were not informed about the 2017 visit. We learned about it because the Unstable Moron himself spread the pic proudly on social media.

How many people do you know who’ve seen that picture or the one below, taken on an earlier date in the Oval Office? Again, very few.



“I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump said, according to The Times. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off.”

"I'm not under investigation," he added.


Sources:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/10/527755991/trump-meets-with-russias-lavrov-at-the-white-house-today

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-nut-job-james-comey-russia-2017-5

And this is the man leading the "restructuring of American government" today winking at Putin at a diplomatic affair during his first madministration.



No wonder Putin, the Kremlin and the GRU and whatever the KGB is called these days call him "America's Gorbachev." Gorby sped up the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Now Putin returns the favor through Trump and his destruction of America's economy, hailed just before the 2024 election by The Economist as "The Envy of the World."

Botany

(74,315 posts)
85. Very well written
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:05 AM
Monday

I feel in my bones that not only was the 2024 elections dirty and that Musk and other
bad operators were into the voting data along with suppressing the vote by millions but
that Trump is knowingly burning America to the ground under the instructions from
Vladimir Putin.

Kid Berwyn

(20,534 posts)
88. Thank you!
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:41 AM
Monday

Your bones are sending the truth about 2024. I, too, got a feeling it was "electronics."

There are programs that make rubes like me give away personal data so fast they can empty my bank account before I hit "Send." Same minds can create stuff to make secretaries of state in seven swing states see the tallies go for a demented traitor (while electing DEMs to the US Senate, say) seem perfectly normal.

Now the country's defenses are led by a goldbrick of a commander-in-chief with an intellect that gets confused by the McDonald's menu and unable to hold a thought other than the Golden Arches, golf and how some women once let him get near to them.

And Putin couldn't be happier.

Botany

(74,315 posts)
93. I thought that 2016 and Trump getting into the White House was the result of the largest international..
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 11:58 AM
Monday

….. criminal operation in the world and Putin was and still the Godfather.

Btw Ryan, McConnell, McCarthy, and Scalise were all aware of the Russian attacks
on free elections and said nothing. Republicans are so unAmerican it is not funny
they are so low.

Btw as a kid in N.W. PA our next door neighbor* lwas the County D.A. Ray Shafer and his brother
was the Governor and it was a different time but to this day he was the finest man I have ever
known and a Republican too.

* middle class neighborhood

MLAA

(19,262 posts)
73. First rule of protecting your country from an aggressor is don't inform their spies of your intentions.
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 09:02 AM
Monday

Mysterian

(5,644 posts)
79. Yeah, why inform a Russian agent?
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 09:42 AM
Monday

Informing Putin-poodle Trump of any war plans would be insane.

tavernier

(13,729 posts)
81. Trump probably would take the credit
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 09:50 AM
Monday

since lately he’s been upset with Putin.
Especially if the world sees it as a brilliant move, which is exactly what is happening. By Z telling press that Trump was not notified, Trump can’t declare himself the war genius.

Bluetus

(1,100 posts)
82. Not just Ukraine
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:01 AM
Monday

This is a dramatic example. There is zero question that if Z had told Trump (or if underlings shared the info), the Trump people would have screwed that up -- intentionally.

But this is no big secret by now. Every former ally knows they simply cannot share military intelligence with the US as they have in the past. And we are all much less safe because of it.

k_buddy762

(492 posts)
83. I saw an interesting take
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:02 AM
Monday

on another forum this morning and I'm posting it to spur discussion, not that I do or do not agree (I am in the process of vetting some of the information). Still, I found it an interesting perspective:

"This attack took 18 months to prepare. Intelligence agencies would have known. For Russia's perspective, this isn't just a Ukr operation -- its a US-backed degradation of their nuclear deterrent using treaty obligations as the vulnerability. The natural reaction is to pull out of the treaties and hide the bombers.... Now we're back to the 70s."

The implication being, Russia *had* the bombers out in the open so foreign satellites could monitor them. Now everything will be hidden and the intel value will be lost.

And if it can happen to Russia, it can happen to the US.

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