Egypt fed up with Hamas refusal to take Gaza deal, pushing them to accept, Arab diplomat tells ToI.

[Beastly Boy]

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Egypt is fed up with Hamas, and its delegation in Qatar threatened the terror group’s delegation over its refusal to accept a ceasefire deal in Gaza, an Arab diplomat tells The Times of Israel.

Egypt is “pressuring Hamas to accept,” says the diplomat.

The diplomat confirms an i24 report that the Egyptians threatened Hamas delegation head Khalil al-Hayya with deportation and insulted him over his refusal to accept a deal.

A second source involved in the mediation efforts says the Egyptian anger at Hamas is due to what Cairo feels is the terror group’s foot-dragging in the negotiations.

Mediators are still waiting for Hamas to respond to the new set of maps submitted this week by Israel that lay out a softened proposal of its partial withdrawal from Gaza during the 60-day truce under discussion, the source says.

Adding the link to article:https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egypt-fed-up-with-hamas-refusal-to-take-gaza-deal-pushing-them-to-accept-arab-diplomat-tells-toi/

[moniss]

1. I'm calling BS on this

report by the "Arab diplomat". A new set of maps is issued and supposedly within a matter of a couple of days the Egyptians are supposedly demanding a decision? The Egyptians know full well that Hamas also has to review and does have to take into account the off-shoot terror groups operating in Gaza and whether that whole situation spins out of any control at all.

The story sounds more like propaganda than anything else. Weeks and weeks go by that Netanyahu is described as "considering" proposals but nobody is writing stories like this when he doesn't respond within a couple of days. Unless I heard something directly from an Egyptian official and they were named I wouldn't put much stock in this story of supposed Egyptian frustration. I can see where someone propagandizing and claiming Egyptian frustration as stated is trying to put the Egyptians on their back foot so to speak and make them appear to be weaker than they already are and give them internal domestic problems by making them seem a particular way. I could see one of their political/economic competitors in the region doing such a thing.

Now this would be more believable if the maps/proposal had been given and weeks and weeks went by with no word but that is not what we have here.

[Beastly Boy]

6. The new set of maps is no surprise for Hamas. It's what they wanted.

The new map followed weeks of negotiations and at least two earlier sets of maps.

Thr "arab source" is identified as a diplomat who confirmed an earlier report that "Egyptians threatened Hamas delegation head Khalil al-Hayya with deportation and insulted him over his refusal to accept a deal." The insult may not have been done face to face, but it implies some direct contact with the Hamas delegation head after the map was submitted.

This all may be a pure pressure tactic on the part of Egypt, but it is unlikely that the story is completely made up.

[moniss]

9. I don't believe that Egypt is going to pressure Hamas to the degree the article implies after

just a couple of days. As I said I would believe it if this was after having the new proposal for weeks and weeks but not just a handful of days.

[Beastly Boy]

10. This cannot be regarded as an isolated incident.

This is the last and anticipated step in a long string of steps. It basically caves to one of Hamas most objectionable demands. A big concession on Israel's part.

Hamas has been sitting on this concession for three days. Silence. No comment at all. No difference from weeks ago. As if this big concession never happened.

That's pretty insulting, first and foremost to the negotiators who have been working hard for this concession on Hamas' behalf.

[moniss]

12. The point being that Netanyahu

delays for weeks and weeks and the reporting is not like this after just 3 days. Whether this happens by any of the parties multiple times is beside the point as to the anonymous allegation and the substance of the report.

[Beastly Boy]

14. The way I understand your point is

that the Egyptian diplomat has no reason to be fed up with Hamas stalling after they got what they wanted because Netanyahu was stalling when he didn't get what he wanted.

You further maintain that this doesn't matter anyway because, even though the incident was previously reported by an independent source, the diplomat who was involved in it and confirmed it was not named.

I don't see it this way at all, but I also don't see any purpose in engaging in this exchange any further.

[moniss]

19. No the point is the reporting because I don't find

it plausible as the report states it and I find it suspect. My reference to Netanyahu is simply for the contrast of the way reporting is done where a couple of days pass and then supposedly there is this supposed intense frustration but the Times would never be phrasing this way when Netanyahu has been considering a proposal for a couple of days. In any event the anonymous sourcing leads me to believe in the likelihood of propaganda by some party. As I said there are those in the region, not necessarily meaning Israel, that would have an agenda to weaken Egyptian leadership politically further than they are. The one constant in the entire region is factions having agendas about influence and power with each other.

That's why the West makes a chronic mistake when they lump the region into the idea of the "Arab world" as though there is a unified aspect to that label. One should always remember the factions and groups and their struggles with each other and long memories.

So bottom line for me on reports from the region involving the actions or feelings of Saudis, Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrians, Qataris etc. is to also realize the various factions and agendas within those countries within the country and externally and their history of strife with each other and shifting alliances and purposes. Some of it was always there but the British and French put it on steroids for decades and decades before WW1 through WW2 and after.

[Ken Dayenu]

2. Why no link to article?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egypt-fed-up-with-hamas-refusal-to-take-gaza-deal-pushing-them-to-accept-arab-diplomat-tells-toi/

[Beastly Boy]

3. My bad. Just added the link. Thanks.

[Ken Dayenu]

4. Was curious if there was some rule about it? :)

[Beastly Boy]

7. The link is required in LBN, but no other forum, as far as I know.

Of course, absent the source, the posts lose a great deal of credibility, but, unless it is a right-wing source or a source repeating right-wing talking points, that should not be cause for alerting a post.

Of course, a reminder to the poster who didn't include the source is proper, and in my case much appreciated.

[Ken Dayenu]

5. Who are the negotiators

I was curious who was negotiating given so many Hamas leaders have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalil_al-Hayya

1. Right of return is an impossibility - it would be the destruction of Israel. Stop asking, you are wasting everybody's time.

In April 2024, al-Hayya said that Hamas would agree to a cease-fire with Israel, lay down its arms and transform into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established on the pre-1967 borders.[20] He also clarified that the proposed Palestinian state would require "the return of Palestinian refugees" to present-day Israel.[21]

2. LOL

In 2011, al-Hayya called on the United Nations to recognize Palestine within its pre-1948 borders.

3. This is the problem. Why bother negotiating with somebody that is not negotiating in good faith?

In October 2024, after the killing of Yahya Sinwar, al-Hayya said that "Hamas is moving forward until the establishment of the Palestinian state on all Palestinian soil with Jerusalem as its capital."[22]

4. On the other hand, how do you ever forgive losing this many relatives.

Seven or eight of al-Hayya's relatives, including two of his brothers, were killed by Israeli strikes on his home in 2007,[23][24] in a failed assassination attempt on him.[2] One of his sons was killed by an Israeli airstrike in 2008 while leading a rocket brigade.[25][26] Another son, daughter-in-law, and grandson were killed by an airstrike on his home in July 2014 during the 2014 Gaza War.[27][28][29]


Likewise, there is a clip from Piers Morgan's interview of Daniella Weiss which is equally unreasonable. Her son-in-law and in-laws were killed by Palestinians while her daughter and granddaughter hid. It is hard to see how these two sides can make peace.

[Beastly Boy]

8. I don't view the diplomatic contacts with Hamas as "negotiations". It's extortion, pure and simple.

The lives and bodies of dead Israelis in exchange for the terms Hamas would have never been granted otherwise. I also regard Hamas holding the hostages to be the main reason the war is still continuing. Were there no hostages, the war would have been over long ago.

I believe that most of the Hamas negotiating team, like the bulk of Hamas leadership, reside permanently in Qatar. I have no idea how they keep contact with Hamas commanders on the ground. Probably some clandestine diplomatic contacts, had been established to make this happen.

Of course, it is the radicals and the zealots who are most interested in keeping the war going. Regardless of how many people get killed, their goals are unattainable. What is rarely, if ever, mentioned, is Hamas' radical Islamist fetish for martyrdom, usually at the expense of their subjects. Most of them have no desire to be "martyred" for the glory of Hamas but are severely punished for daring to object to this explicitly homicidal/suicidal ideology.

[Ken Dayenu]

11. I don't think Netanyahu cares about the hostages

Hamas has offered to return the hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners and a complete withdrawal. Netanyahu refuses these terms. I was enraged and heart broken by Oct 7 and felt retaliation was completely justified. I think the IDF has delivered the message that Oct 7 was not in the best interest of the Palestinians. The death of the senior leaders of Hamas, particularly Yahya Sinwar, was enough for me. I'm not an Israeli. I'm an American Jew. I don't live under daily threat, so I don't judge Israelis, but I wish they would end this.

It goes without saying, Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian civilians.

[Ken Dayenu]

13. Netanyahu's government rejected complete hostage deal, Hamas spokesman says

Hamas' military wing spokesperson said Friday that the group offered "several times in recent months a comprehensive deal [to] hand over all [hostages] at once – but the Netanyahu government rejected the offer."

The Iz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades spokesman, Abu Obaida, warned that "if the enemy entrenches his position in this round of negotiations, we will not be able to guarantee a return to a partial deal, nor to the previously discussed ten-hostage offer."

The spokesman said Hamas' strategy was now to inflict daily casualties among soldiers and try to kidnap them, noting there had been several recent attempts. He also harshly criticized Arab and Islamic countries for their indifference and failure to interfere.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-18/ty-article-live/europeans-warn-iran-of-un-snapback-sanctions-unless-concrete-progress-on-nuclear-talks/00000198-1b48-da26-abba-df498f9c0000?liveBlogItemId=1843582452&utm_source=site&utm_medium=button&utm_campaign=live_blog_item#1843582452

[Beastly Boy]

15. If this is all there is to the Hamas offer,

what Hamas offered is the return to October 6, 2023. As if October 7 never happened.

If accepted, this would be an open invitation for Hamas to attack Israel and take hostages again. Of course no one in their right mind would accept this. If these are Hamas expectations, they are ridiculous, and Hamas knows this.

[Ken Dayenu]

16. Return to October 6, 2023

Return to October 6, 2023 sounds acceptable to me right now. The Palestinians suffered a huge consequence for Oct 7th. One can hope they learned from it. The Israelis suffered a huge consequence on Oct 7th. I hope they learned a lesson from it and can prevent such an attack from ever happening again.

Hamas is never going to surrender. They are perfectly happy to sacrifice every man, woman, and child for their cause. They've proven that. What terms do you think you could possibly get out of them that will be worth the loss of more Israeli soldiers? How long do you think it will take before they surrender? I'm not a pacifist or a Palestinian apologist, I just think Israel has hit diminishing returns. Will Hamas attack again, probably, there is nothing stopping Israel from reoccupying Gaza if it happens again.

The rebuilding of Gaza should be paid for by the Arab League. Not a nickel from Israel or the US. As for a Palestinian State, I don't know how that can move forward after October 7, but ultimately I do think that is what is necessary. To get there, the Palestinians have to give up on the idea of returning to the land that is now Israel. They have to decide that having a country is more important than having Israel. Meanwhile, Israel should work on improving relations with the Arab states.

[Ken Dayenu]

17. Memorial for Israeli Soldiers killed on Oct 7th

This is a picture of a memorial for Israeli Soldiers killed on Oct 7th at the Ein Gedi Preserve. It brought me to tears when I saw it. I still really can't look at it. Since October 7th, I think around 800 more Israeli soldiers have died.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNY3VeHBQvb9VeoLP-n1Okpz-4p3BU1wmatnCwP

[Beastly Boy]

18. No, it's not return to October 6.

It's return of Hamas to their standing on October 6, poised to invade Israel.

Unfortunately, that would leave Gazan civilians as the only ones suffering any consequences for Hamas invasion.

And that, as we know, is just fine with Hamas. They wouldn't think twice before doing it again.

It doesn't make sense to talk about rebuilding Gaza while Hamas is armed and in power. This would not just be money wasted, it would be money spent to rebuild their military infrastructure. Who do you think paid for the rockets and the tunnels under schools and hospitals?

[Israeli]

20. Likewise, there is a clip from Piers Morgan's interview of Daniella Weiss which is equally unreasonable.

Who is Daniella Weiss? The ‘Godmother’ of Israel’s settler movement now calling for a return to Gaza

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/who-is-daniella-weiss-the-godmother-of-israels-settler-movement-now-calling-for-a-return-to-gaza-j0xq8l8h

Go study Gush Emunim.

She is a monster .......call me antisemitic if you like I couldnt care less .

Settler Leader Daniella Weiss Is the True Face of Israel

Instead of the weekly self-abasement of cabinet members on Piers Morgan's talk show, this time we got something fascinating: an interview with the string-puller behind "religious Zionism" and a land-theft activist. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome with applause Daniella Weiss.

For many long minutes, Morgan tried to elicit from her a word of compassion for the 20,000 Gazan children killed by Israel. He was in turmoil while she interlaced her fingers, donning the smile of cruel Aunt Lydia from "The Handmaid's Tale."

How do you feel about that, he asked; Daniella Weiss replied, saying that she believed that the Palestinians, Gazans and all the Arabs around us should stop attacking Israel. One has to be very stupid not to understand that the subtext of her answer was that the killing of tens of thousands of children with bombs and through disease and hunger is the natural response to an attack, and that it would be worthwhile for them to learn their lesson next time.

Morgan insisted that he wanted to know what she feels about such killing, since he assumed that she knows the difference between emotions and thinking. This was a mistake. "I think," she said for the second time, "that the parents should be very careful before they teach the children to hate Jews and to kill Jews … I think that Arabs, Gazans, or Jordanians, or Syrians, whoever, should be very, very careful with the way they educate the children."

At that point, Morgan turned red and his hair bristled. "That wasn't what I asked," he said, choking up. He noted that he had asked how she felt, what she personally felt about the killing of 20,000 children since October 7. Yet again, she began with "I think," explaining that Arabs ought to be careful. Morgan again insisted that this was not what he had asked. This repeated itself five times.

The video spread across social media, and Israelis reacted, obviously. Some were hurt by the fact that Morgan chose to interview marginal figures, extremist people whom he depicts, please note, as characterizing this country – benighted, ignorant, ineloquent, medieval, to quote one of many responses.

However, cabinet members, idiotic as they may be, cannot be considered marginal figures, and Weiss' ideology is represented in this government by a party that receives budgets for the purpose of maintaining and expanding its apartheid enterprise, while wielding crucial influence on the most important issues at stake.

Obviously, it's not just the government. In response to the question of why Morgan only looks for "abject extremists rather than people striving for peace," one can consider to what extent Weiss is an extremist: 82 percent of Israelis, according to a recent poll, support the forceful expulsion of Gaza's residents. Excuse me, friends, even if the majority of Israelis don't look like sadists with Orthodox head coverings, their opinions about Gaza's residents are similar to hers.

Before someone suggests launching a military assault on Morgan's studio, it is worth remembering that Daniella Weiss is not a marginal figure – she is an influential one who has been shaping reality for decades, with the power to implement her policies. If she is a minority, she is one with an army behind her. Regarding the children of Gaza, the great majority believe as she does that after October 7, their lives are worthless. People don't care how many of them have died (953 babies under one year of age).

If you think I'm exaggerating, I would like to remind you that the good people, the ones who are our ray of hope, the ones standing at the margins of Israel's consensus holding photos of Gazan children whom we've burned alive, shelled, shot and starved to death, are being pushed aside. They are the minority. Not Weiss. The people holding photos of children are on the fringe.

Since Israelis always had difficulty seeing the cruel reality through their veil of self-pitying tears, what I've described here is the reality. There is no need to worry about the face of this country around the world. It stands out in every report on Gaza, in every picture of desolation or piles of bodies, even if local media hide all this from the public.

Source : Haaretz

Link : https://archive.md/ju3Ib/again?url=https:/

[Ken Dayenu]

21. Daniella Weiss is HORRIFIC

I saw that clip and it made watch the entire episode to see if it was taken out of context. It wasn't. Daniella Weiss is horrific. I posted it here on Friday. An embarrassment as a Jew. The only person I liked on the entire episode was Mathew Syed. I posted a clip of him as well.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134144240