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In reply to the discussion: US and China agree to slash tariffs for 90 days [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(103,595 posts)4. "The USA just surrendered to China"
This mornings press conference was a classic: Lets be honest about what happened the USA started a trade fight. China slapped them back. Greer sounded offended when he reminded us they were the only country to retaliate everyone else wanted to negotiate hence the ratcheted up to the 145% tariff bill. Yet, by retaliating China is now on same broad terms as the USAs no 1 ally, the UK? Classic bully story. Bully hits someone. Someone hits back. Bully stands down.
There were so many conflicting narratives being proposed by the Bessent/Greer double-act. Apparently, its all about Fentanyl Bessent cited the Chinese willingness to support the US crushing the Mexican gangs flooding the USA with Fentanyl. Or its about how the terrible state of US/China trade was due to the last 4 years of the Biden administration allowing trade negotiations to atrophy. Or maybe it was about about the deal being part of rebalancing of US supply chain weaknesses post Covid.
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It also raises the fundamental issue the USA cant afford a trade war. The USA is indebted to the tune of $36 trillion. Trump is promising the big beautiful bill to cut taxes. But as DOGEs failure showed, he cant cut spending. The US Military costs nearly $1 trillion per annum and is the only substantive item that could be cut which he cant as he has stirred up global tensions. In the Treasury market there is the truth about the US watch what happens next.
More to the point, a trade/inflation shock is still going to occur as a result of his actions. The upside is it might be slightly less damaging that initially feared. He is unlikely to deliver any of his MAGA promises to voters except on immigration, which I expect he will big-up to deflect from his trade and economic failures.
https://morningporridge.com/blog/trade/the-usa-just-surrendered-to-china/
There were so many conflicting narratives being proposed by the Bessent/Greer double-act. Apparently, its all about Fentanyl Bessent cited the Chinese willingness to support the US crushing the Mexican gangs flooding the USA with Fentanyl. Or its about how the terrible state of US/China trade was due to the last 4 years of the Biden administration allowing trade negotiations to atrophy. Or maybe it was about about the deal being part of rebalancing of US supply chain weaknesses post Covid.
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It also raises the fundamental issue the USA cant afford a trade war. The USA is indebted to the tune of $36 trillion. Trump is promising the big beautiful bill to cut taxes. But as DOGEs failure showed, he cant cut spending. The US Military costs nearly $1 trillion per annum and is the only substantive item that could be cut which he cant as he has stirred up global tensions. In the Treasury market there is the truth about the US watch what happens next.
More to the point, a trade/inflation shock is still going to occur as a result of his actions. The upside is it might be slightly less damaging that initially feared. He is unlikely to deliver any of his MAGA promises to voters except on immigration, which I expect he will big-up to deflect from his trade and economic failures.
https://morningporridge.com/blog/trade/the-usa-just-surrendered-to-china/
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So, US tariffs were cut from 145% to 30%, while China's were cut from 125% to 10%.
SunSeeker
12 hrs ago
#1
Yup. Our soy bean farmers have now lost the huge Chinese market for their product to Brazil.
SunSeeker
11 hrs ago
#5
Yep..and USAID grain sales too. But hell....keep voting for Republicans idiots.
Bengus81
7 hrs ago
#19
I agree, and the tariffs that are left are still substantial enough to cause damage. unless they cut them down to
everyonematters
8 hrs ago
#14
"Stock Monkey"? If you mean people who care about the stock market, you are referring to most people with an IRA, 401K,
24601
8 hrs ago
#17
Yes, the damage is done. If TSF has kept his hands off what he obviously doesn't understand...
brush
6 hrs ago
#29
the stock market will go up of course on this news, which is all the admin cares about
LymphocyteLover
9 hrs ago
#10
How much money has the Trump crime family made on market manipulation and insider trading?
Irish_Dem
9 hrs ago
#11
It's almost like these idiots should have just left well enough alone.
BlueTsunami2018
10 hrs ago
#8
Market manipulation BS along with his cut on drug prices SCAM. DOW up 1000+ in pre-market
Bengus81
7 hrs ago
#20
Trump single-handedly created this disaster and now he is touted as a hero for getting "concessions"
hadEnuf
7 hrs ago
#22
People don't get math. If you lower something "by 115%," it actually becomes negative. (n/t)
thesquanderer
7 hrs ago
#23
Can we just admit this was an extremely stupid and terrible idea and move on already?
Initech
3 hrs ago
#37
So, remove Krasnov's trade embargo and install a 30% sales tax on Americans to hit at
GoodRaisin
2 hrs ago
#38