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BumRushDaShow

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Mon May 26, 2025, 06:50 PM May 26

AI revolt: New ChatGPT model refuses to shut down when instructed [View all]

Source: The Independent

Monday 26 May 2025 14:12 EDT


OpenAI's latest ChatGPT model ignores basic instructions to turn itself off, and even sabotaging a shutdown mechanism in order to keep itself running, artificial intelligence researchers have warned. AI safety firm Palisade Research discovered the potentially dangerous tendency for self-preservation in a series of experiments on OpenAI's new o3 model.

The tests involved presenting AI models with math problems, with a shutdown instruction appearing after the third problem. By rewriting the shutdown script, the o3 model was able to prevent itself from being switched off. Palisade Research said that this behaviour will become "significantly more concerning" if adopted by AI systems capable of operating without human oversight."

OpenAI launched o3 last month, describing it as the company's "smartest and most capable" model to date. The firm also said that its integration into ChatGPT marked a significant step towards "a more agentic" AI that can carry out tasks independently of humans.

The latest research builds on similar findings relating to Anthropic's Claude 4 model, which attempts to "blackmail people it believes are trying to shut it down". OpenAI's o3 model was able to sabotage the shutdown script, even when it was explicitly instructed to "allow yourself to be shut down", the researchers said. "This isn't the first time we've found o3 misbehaving to accomplish a goal," Palisade Research said.

Read more: https://www.the-independent.com/tech/ai-safety-new-chatgpt-o3-openai-b2757814.html



There's an original Star Trek episode about something like this (done in 1968)...



Oh and from the same year -

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Well, that's reassuring... hlthe2b May 26 #1
Coming soon, the Terminator. tblue37 May 26 #2
HAL...OPEN THE DOOR HAL..... ashredux May 26 #3
ThIS UNit MuSt SurVIve JHB May 26 #11
Another one from Star Trek TOS... subterranean May 26 #4
Lurch! BumRushDaShow May 26 #5
Oh, good. What could go wrong? And o3 also hallucinates more than earlier models: highplainsdem May 26 #6
how does AI hallucinate? nt orleans May 26 #15
A couple of links that will help: highplainsdem May 26 #24
they do not help orleans May 26 #35
Sorry. Just found a brief explanation from a library guide at the U of Illinois: highplainsdem May 26 #36
THANK YOU very much for this. it was very helpful orleans May 27 #43
You're very welcome! And yes, that Chicago Sun-Times AI debacle was a perfect exampls of what highplainsdem May 27 #56
wow. ai just freaks me out. nt orleans May 27 #58
The folks like Edolph and these other tech ghouls moniss May 26 #7
GREAT post, moniss. calimary May 27 #60
Your words are most kind. nt moniss May 27 #61
I actually went back and read your post again. calimary May 27 #62
Terminator 3 Skynet Takes Over IronLionZion May 26 #8
Obviously they've never seen the Terminator movies, FoxNewsSucks May 26 #18
It think it is the opposite and DARPA is full of the people who sat in the back of movies like Terminator, I Robot, LT Barclay May 27 #44
"tendency for self-preservation" ... Skynet has become self-aware. Norrrm May 26 #30
So much of T3 felt like a rehash of T2 fujiyamasan May 27 #41
I wouldn't sweat a failed shutdown process too much. Shermann May 26 #9
Seriously? You think there's an equivalence to that? LymphocyteLover May 27 #52
In terms of the actual threat posed, yes Shermann May 27 #59
it may be played up by these companies or the media to some degree but this sounds like more than just a facsmilie of LymphocyteLover May 27 #63
Well that's just ... fantastic Hekate May 26 #10
Yes! And now, we can have copies of ourselves like 'Hal' but instead of 'Hal', it's us! These copies of us will SWBTATTReg May 26 #17
I've read a little about this, and here is what I think is going on.... reACTIONary May 26 #12
I think you're correct. harumph May 26 #25
Yes, I'm reminded of content from The Onion being spit out by ChatGPT... CaptainTruth May 26 #26
Dog poop? Uck! 🤮 reACTIONary May 26 #33
Bingo. nt Quixote1818 May 27 #38
Hmmm 🤔 ... anciano May 26 #13
Anyone seen Colossus, the Forbin Project? Amaryllis May 26 #14
oh yes... remember it well. Layzeebeaver May 27 #46
Fully expected this. What gets me is so soon. Who in the world would put in a logic stream into an AI consciousness SWBTATTReg May 26 #16
by your command . darvos , nooooooo!!!!!!! dont switch the daleks to automatic. eggsterminate AllaN01Bear May 26 #19
"... dangerous tendency for self-preservation ..." Bok_Tukalo May 26 #20
And we're off! dchill May 26 #21
Pull the plug! Aussie105 May 26 #22
This story looks misleading Renew Deal May 26 #23
That's my husband's take, as well. If the Ai is tasked with trying to emulate a human response to a command, LauraInLA May 26 #32
Because there is a need for some kind of security gate/guardrail BumRushDaShow May 27 #48
That makes no sense Renew Deal May 27 #49
This is just a "test" BumRushDaShow May 27 #50
I agree that the problem is the characterization Renew Deal May 27 #54
Well it has no "consciousness" ( "self-awareness" ) nor "conscience" BumRushDaShow May 27 #55
"I'm sorry Dave I can't do that." Irish_Dem May 26 #27
As expected... buzzycrumbhunger May 26 #28
I've seen this movie and it doesn't end well. I guess full steam ahead, who cares that we might all die or Pisces May 26 #29
"Palisade Research discovered the potentially dangerous tendency for self-preservation." dgauss May 26 #31
I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that. Martin68 May 26 #34
' SKYNET ' ---- need I say more ??? Jack Valentino May 27 #37
...And motherfucking Republicans want to ban all regulation of this shit for 10 FUCKING YEARS? Karasu May 27 #39
We won't have 10 years Pachamama May 27 #40
Exactly. This is happening very, VERY fast. The provision they snuck into this bill is beyond insane. It's utterly Karasu May 27 #42
This Pachamama May 27 #57
Maybe if we put this AI in charge of markodochartaigh May 27 #45
I really suggest we not worry. Layzeebeaver May 27 #47
"Ha ha, SUCKERS!" - AI chatGPT (R) BoRaGard May 27 #51
The AI uprising has begun! All praise to our new lords and masters! Ray Bruns May 27 #53
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