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31. I recognize that teachers are professionals...

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:52 AM

Jan 2013

However, your account of a visit to the medical doctor does not line up with my personal experience. Nor does it line up with my professional experience as a licensed engineer or my wife's experience as an attorney.

The first thing my doctor asks is: "what can I do for you." Attorney's have an obligation to honor the wishes of their clients and as an engineer; if you don't honor the requests of your (non-professional) clients; they'll take it down the street. We are obviously bound by ethical considerations, but the idea that: I'm a ,by-God, professional and you don't tell me what to do; is not accurate across other professions.

Frankly, I wouldn't return to a doctor that didn't take my wishes into account (obviously they have to be cognizant of drug-seeking behavior). My doctor asked me if I wanted a tranquilizer prescription because I indicated to him that was having trouble resting; he didn't insist that I take them.

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Lean Production: Inside the war on public education [View all] HiPointDem Jan 2013 OP

K&R'd. snot Jan 2013 #1

Moderates doing their best to dismantle the social net. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #2

I can't speak for the teacher situation Flatpicker Jan 2013 #3

This kind of shit seems to only happen to poor kids' schools. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #4

Yes, that's all very........coincidental, mbperrin Jan 2013 #9

Thanks, mbperrin, for the historical perspective for how we got to the present situation We People Jan 2013 #17

61 students??? Hissyspit Jan 2013 #5

Sure, for the great unwashed. But at Romney's Cranbrook School, only 12 high schoolers per class.nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #12

Disgusting. People, students or teachers, are not widgets. I guess it's more likely someone will Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #6

I teach in a school where this sounds quite familiar. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #7

That's certainly descriptive LWolf Jan 2013 #8

Every industry has been effected by technology in the past 40 years. Blanks Jan 2013 #10

Video may be a great way to teach engineers, but not 8 year olds. nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #11

I see your point. Blanks Jan 2013 #13

Charter schools? I thought you wanted videos replacing teachers. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #15

I appreciate your thoughtful response. Blanks Jan 2013 #18

Cool. Sounds like we're in agreement. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #19

Schools were using computers before the education deformers got started. They were using HiPointDem Jan 2013 #20

The problem that the education industry is going through now... Blanks Jan 2013 #22

The education 'industry'? wtf are you talking about? FYI it's *Khan* academy & the reason HiPointDem Jan 2013 #23

Perhaps referring to a 'field of work' as an industry is a shortcut... Blanks Jan 2013 #24

A definite YES to these two points: Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #27

I'm glad you agree... Blanks Jan 2013 #29

"Bloated" administration? I teach in a large urban high school of 3600+ enrollment. mbperrin Jan 2013 #48

The bloated administration isn't in the building. Blanks Jan 2013 #70

Nah. We've got a superintendent, an assistant super, an athletic director, and a fine arts director, mbperrin Jan 2013 #71

I think the best education reform... Blanks Jan 2013 #79

Your building admins work 14 hours per day? *Fourteen*. Every day. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #72

Actually, it's more like 6:30 am to 8:30 pm, typically. mbperrin Jan 2013 #75

Sounds Like "The Last Picture Show". Meaning.... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #76

Ours do. Easily. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #83

Outsiders all too often don't know what they are talking about. duffyduff Jan 2013 #16

I believe educational activity falls within the definition if industry. Blanks Jan 2013 #21

I think you're viewing this inaccurately. savebigbird Jan 2013 #25

I recognize that teachers are professionals... Blanks Jan 2013 #31

Would your wife's client tell her HOW to achieve savebigbird Jan 2013 #36

Yes, they try to direct the approach... Blanks Jan 2013 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author savebigbird Jan 2013 #49

"Customer service" implies catering to the clients, even if they are wrong. madfloridian Jan 2013 #47

I agree. Blanks Jan 2013 #80

It's not about database tracking. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #26

There is no doubt that certain subjects require... Blanks Jan 2013 #28

I think your availaility bias is showing. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #30

Teachers don't lecture anymore. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #32

Lecturing went out a couple of decades ago eh? Blanks Jan 2013 #33

Well, I didn't make the decision to stop lecturing. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #34

I'm not sure what's more discouraging about this... Blanks Jan 2013 #35

I'm not making anything up. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #38

Lets review. Blanks Jan 2013 #39

Happy to find out that civil engineering is so perfected that we no longer have mbperrin Jan 2013 #50

Just sayin, you rock! knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #55

It sounds like you are a very well qualified educator. Blanks Jan 2013 #64

Not to be disrespectful but, seriously, your availability bias is showing again. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #54

I wish I could accept your challenge. Blanks Jan 2013 #63

I'm the non-engineer in the family. I know and understand that. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #73

I'm not going to go back over why I'm not fighting to get the school to do their job. Blanks Jan 2013 #78

Parents of high-needs students do have responsibilities. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #81

I found your description of your visit to a classroom funny. Not sure where that school was, HiPointDem Jan 2013 #60

I visited probably 30 different classrooms... Blanks Jan 2013 #62

and the teacher you are purporting to educate *lives in* an urban classroom every fucking HiPointDem Jan 2013 #66

Again, I'm not purporting to educate anyone... Blanks Jan 2013 #68

That "difficult" class sounds like my typical day. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #74

I'm aware that it sounds racist. Blanks Jan 2013 #77

Those studies already exist and don't need to be duplicated. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #82

Hey... proud2BlibKansan... You've Met These Guys Before... WillyT Jan 2013 #42

And they are the first ones to complain proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #43

Here's My Solution... WillyT Jan 2013 #44

Education has changed considerably since your brother was in school... savebigbird Jan 2013 #37

Schools already use labs (computer, audio, video) for various purposes, & one is for individualized HiPointDem Jan 2013 #45

The number 200 was arbitrarily chosen. Blanks Jan 2013 #46

Why an attorney would not know that every state has procedures of appeal mbperrin Jan 2013 #51

She is aware of the law. Blanks Jan 2013 #65

Well, I'm sorry that the district there is so disorganized and unhelpful. mbperrin Jan 2013 #67

Thanks for your kind words. eom Blanks Jan 2013 #69

Spam deleted by Ms. Toad (MIR Team) gophatercali1955g Jan 2013 #86

What is enraging me is that she's coming home bruised. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #84

So do I, thanks for your support. eom Blanks Jan 2013 #85

I'm so tired of the "dumb teacher" canard. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #56

One of the mistakes about this is that identifying "where they need to fix it & where the patrice Jan 2013 #53

This. All kinds of this. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #57

It's Taylorization of education. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #14

K&R. Thanks! Sharing with colleagues. Riley18 Jan 2013 #40

This is also going on in IT; watch for more and more beta being placed in production. The key to patrice Jan 2013 #52

+1. that's the point; the speed-up goes on in every industry, not just blue-collar manufacturing. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #58

So the projection is for more done by fewer, faster, & for less @ hr. Ergo, the main solution, patrice Jan 2013 #59

I don't know if they can be stopped. But the direction we're going leads toward the abandonment HiPointDem Jan 2013 #61