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Ken Burch

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29. I don't personally know all the history there, and wasn't one of those who did the rejecting.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 11:41 PM
Sep 2016

Although, prior to the 1960s, Palestinians themselves had little power to reject OR accept anything, since before that time they were either a conquered people under the Ottoman or powerless subjects of the British Empire as part of the League of Nations Mandate. So most of the proposals you speak of were rejected by the regional Arab leadership, not the Palestinian people, a people who were not represented in any of those talks.

I do know that it's silly to keep trying to reduce the entire Palestinian side of the argument to antisemitism, because Arab Muslims, Arab Christians and non-Zionist indigenous Jewish people had generally co-existed much more amicably than Jews and Christians in Europe. There was never an Arab equivalent to the Caesars, the Inquisitors, the tsars or Hitler. And in the history of Spain, Jews were generally treated much better by the Moorish rulers than bu the Christians. It wasn't the Moors who expelled them from Spain. nor did Arabs or Muslims ever conceive of anything remotely comparable to the Inquisition, the "blood libel", or Auschwitz. And that is one of the reasons, I think that Palestinians and other Arabs(remember, Palestinians are not "generic Arabs" and can't be assumed to be part of some sort of toxic regional hivemind) have had the feelings they have had about Zionism in practice.

It's entirely reasonable for a Palestinian to ask "why should my family have been uprooted from their homes to create this state? They had nothing to do with what Hitler and his minions did. We couldn't have stopped him and it's not OUR fault that the U.S. and Canada barred the door to those refugees. Why should WE have been punished for what other people did somewhere else?"

And even if you were right...even if it WAS nothing but bigotry, how could any of the tactics and any of acts the of oppression cause that to change? It's not possible to crush people into tolerance. Calling it nothing but bigotry is just an excuse to keep anything from changing.

You're just going to have to accept the reality here...yes, there are some purely hateful Palestinians(as there are an equal quantity of purely hateful Israelis, as you'd have to acknowledge)but this is about legitimate grievances over how people have been treated and how their land has been taken from them. Anyone else, anywhere in the world, who was treated like this would be just as angry at whoever it was that was subjecting them to that treatment. It's not bigotry to resent foreign troops swaggering through your streets like conquerors, or about water shortages, or about the theft of the olive and lemon trees your family raised for centuries, or about being unable to hold a job because you are kept waiting at checkpoints for hours, or about your grandmother dying of a heart attack at a checkpoint because somebody won't let the WRONG ambulance take her to the hospital. No one has to be a bigot to be angry about that.



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so Abbas is both a terror enabler and a communist! ericson00 Sep 2016 #1
why would this be surprising? Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #2
more interesting to see who defends this scumbag ericson00 Sep 2016 #3
It's a waste of time trying to discredit Abbas, which is mainly about trying to discredit Fatah. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
So who should the Israeli's leftynyc Sep 2016 #11
It's a waste of time NOT to try and sit down and negotiate. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #13
And what would be the point leftynyc Sep 2016 #14
How much can they do to get their house together... Ken Burch Sep 2016 #15
Always making excuses for leaders of Hamas & the PLO, aren't you? shira Sep 2016 #19
They actually haven't made any offers remotely like that. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #21
1937 Peel, 1947 Partition, 1965 Eshkol plan, 1967 Khartoum.... shira Sep 2016 #23
If it was wrong for the Palestinians to reject those, it was equally wrong for the Israelis Ken Burch Sep 2016 #25
You didn't answer why those proposals were rejected. Still waiting.... shira Sep 2016 #27
I don't personally know all the history there, and wasn't one of those who did the rejecting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #29
Ken, you're clearly in denial - unable to acknowledge easy reality. shira Sep 2016 #31
I'm not anti-Israel. I'm pro-peace. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #32
You can't be pro-peace when you refuse to call out evil for what it is.... shira Sep 2016 #33
Your argument that more Palestinians leftynyc Sep 2016 #30
NY Times also reporting this ericson00 Sep 2016 #4
Why the Abbas KGB ‘revelation’ came out now Little Tich Sep 2016 #5
kill the messenger? All of Abbas' moral authority, not that there was much to begin with, ericson00 Sep 2016 #6
Nothing positive would come of removing Abbas from the leadership, Ken Burch Sep 2016 #8
Criticizing & condemning Abbas, putting pressure on him can only help matters. shira Sep 2016 #17
correction 6chars Sep 2016 #9
the PLO isn't evil. It had to exist. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #16
The PLO still incites, praises, & rewards terror. Their charter still calls for that.... shira Sep 2016 #18
I don't approve of their tactics, but Israeli intransigence is the reason Fatah and Hamas exist. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #20
You don't approve their Jew hatred, rewarding & praising of murder of innocents.... shira Sep 2016 #22
I don't celebrate any of those things you listed and you damn well know it. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #24
Didn't say you did - but those acts, celebrating murder, is pure evil unseen anywhere else.... shira Sep 2016 #28
Maalot 6chars Sep 2016 #26
I don't have your ability to draw definite conclusions from such ambiguous evidence. Sorry. n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #10
Feel free to list leftynyc Sep 2016 #12
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