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ismnotwasm

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12. I had always considered myself a liberal feminist
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:53 PM
Feb 2013

Then along came dubya and co. And I discovered I had magically shifted to 'radical feminist' I didn't care. One of the great joys as well as benefits of BEING a feminist is you get to define yourself. Set yourself free.

Sure there are perimeters, but its a far more inclusive community than its given credit for. I like feminists. I like being around feminists. Women who self identify as feminist are a living story.
Radical feminists often identify with left fringe politics, such as Socialism ( which shouldn't be considered fringe--but there you are) you'd think they'd fit in better here, given the arguments about liberalism and progressivism. I like men who like feminists. Mostly because I love a thinking man as well as a thinking women who is open to the other.

See the main feminist dialogue, one part that centers around rape and abuse, is actually the story of WHY these things occur. Once you know why, or even part of the why, there is action to to take, words to speak. This makes some uncomfortable. Mighty uncomfortable. Makes some indignant or angry.

That's cool. It's been that way for a long while.

But this coming up generation--- they know, like the article points out. These young women who got into male dominated fields thinking all is well, we don't need feminism Anymore..

BAM, there it is, patriarchy in all its sexist glory. Some may try to play nice, some dislike confrontation, some may be afraid. Some justify actions by claiming empowerment, although you can't choose objectification when you're born objectified, as Twisty, RadFem extraordinaire point out. Some may not even see a problem.

The Republicans have done themselves no favors with their incredibly Shitty approach to women's issues, and have done feminists everywhere a significant favor by showing just the tip of the proverbial iceberg of how bad it COULD get. What the ass end of heterosexist reasoning really looks like.

Women are getting it. We here, no matter which school of feminist thought we claim, are getting it. There is plenty of common ground.

And I believe by sharing stories and perceptions and experiences is where we find this large common area, but also where we differ and, that word again, WHY this is so. Only in this case, by sharing common ground, the differences don't have to be adversarial--or at least not always-- because you see, we are rebuilding the world. And a little confrontation now and again isn't going to hurt, we have our own journeys. The destination now--call it freedom, and equal human rights for women everywhere (a big umbrella term) That will be something to see.

As it is now, I only get to experience it in science fiction.






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They wish we pesky women would shut up LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #1
backlash. it is being worked as hard and fast as it can be, for sure, nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #4
It would be helpful Helen Reddy Feb 2013 #2
are there in the rad fem movement? seabeyond Feb 2013 #3
I took a class on the rhetoric and history of Second Wave Feminism, ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #6
That's great you are taking interest. Helen Reddy Feb 2013 #9
Questions for those who were politically aware during the 60s: ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #5
izzz a baby. didnt know nuthing 'bout nuthin'. lol. seabeyond Feb 2013 #7
Awesome. Thanks. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #8
Do your own homework! redqueen Feb 2013 #10
Thanks for the comments, redqueen! nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #33
i have spent a lifetime seabeyond Feb 2013 #38
The Reports of the Death of Feminism Are Greatly Exaggerated Demeter Feb 2013 #11
"Death of Feminism Are Greatly Exaggerated". interesting. i hadnt been paying attention. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #15
I had always considered myself a liberal feminist ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #12
i think our men fems have told us we are not suppose to like twisty. she said something somewhere seabeyond Feb 2013 #16
Was there a problem with the photo in the article? Bonobo Feb 2013 #13
you tell me. is there a problem with a woman warrior? seabeyond Feb 2013 #14
"Nothing to do with the article" Bonobo Feb 2013 #17
They're not "African American slaves" or even "men". They're fucking zombies. redqueen Feb 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2013 #27
you are really stretching here. it is from a movie, a woman warrior. seabeyond Feb 2013 #19
I know you don't consume Walking Dead media, so I'll clue you in. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #37
thank you for this information. i had no idea, but it is sounding even less like an issue seabeyond Feb 2013 #39
Of course you do, because, like that NEVER happens ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #21
It happens in movies, you are right. Too often. Bonobo Feb 2013 #22
Again, she kills ZOMBIES. redqueen Feb 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2013 #28
They're zombies. Lots and lots of zombies are killed in that story. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #36
Fuck no ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #20
If disruption and misrepresentation is all you have to offer this group.... JTFrog Feb 2013 #30
sometmes i find the jury comments very interesting. thanks jt. nt seabeyond Feb 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Feb 2013 #32
Walking Dead is awesome. Michonne is awesome. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #35
Y'know, Bonobo, more often than not I think you're an okay guy. Even when we disagree. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #44
Here we go again...... Helen Reddy Feb 2013 #23
lol. and something that is not even relevant and made up. i am going back up to zombie and answer seabeyond Feb 2013 #24
Good point. Logic and reason are useless when honest discussion is not the goal. nt redqueen Feb 2013 #26
Some men (and their female champions) try very hard MadrasT Feb 2013 #29
They like to interchange feminist separatists boston bean Feb 2013 #34
i had to look up Separatist feminism. thank you BB. you are right. seabeyond Feb 2013 #42
You'd think they don't know how to google or read. redqueen Feb 2013 #40
radfem challenges the very core of who we are. how we identify with self. many feel it an attack seabeyond Feb 2013 #41
Kick redqueen Dec 2013 #43
helen reddy. do you see? i miss helen reddy. so... seabeyond Dec 2013 #45
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