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Beastly Boy

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43. There is a lot more to Hamas atrocities than starting the killings.
Tue May 13, 2025, 05:19 PM
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And yet, mentions of their guilt are exceptionally few and far between, and are made predominantly in the context of criticizing Israel. Something like "Hamas is a monster, but..." That's the extent of it.

And there is absolutely no mention of their role in purposely and deliberately exposing Gazan civilians to the dangers of the war they are waging against Israel - the principal cause for civilian casualties in Gaza. Were the Hamas militant to conduct warfare away from schools, hospitals and refugee camps, as they are mandated to do by international law, they could have spared tens of thousands of civilians in their care. But that would have been the exact opposite of their intent to "martyr" as many Gazans as possible, which they were never shy to express openly.

So let me give you an example of how talk of Hamas' guilt is being avoided: your post above.

Let's begin with "Everyone knows Hamas started it". Not only does this avoid the description of the "it" that Hamas started, this statement stops at what Hamas started and addresses none of the extent of what they are doing now and will be doing in the future to prevent the ending of the killings.

That's where your criticism of Hamas ends. From there, the post immediately does a 180 turn and deflects from Hamas to "abandonment of two-state negotiations, breaking of the ceasefire and... renewed strikes and killing though, which you acknowledge", a transparent swipe at Israel. Moreover, you took it for granted that this is what I acknowledge, whereas I acknowledged something entirely different, something way beyond this one-sided interpretation.

More than that, you are proposing that what I presumably acknowledge "sure seems to be the intent of the Netanyahu government to do ethnic cleansing." And from there, you venture from what is not about to happen the absurd speculations into what happens after the make-believe non-event happens. I know the definition of ethnic cleansing, and since I do, I would never suggest to you that ethnic cleansing is Netanyahu's intention. If you were to look into this definition beyond the shallow appropriation of the term as an insult, I am confident that this will no longer seem to you, notwithstanding your current presumptions of anyone's intent to rid Gaza of all Palestinians, let alone being capable of achieving anything of the sort.

"Israel deserves better leadership." Did it occur to you that Gaza deserves a better leadership too? Why not a word about that?

Israel deserves more than a better leadership. Israel deserves secure borders. Israel deserves more than being belittled by slanderous echo chamber of baseless accusations indiscriminately thrown at it. Israel deserves international support to elect a better leadership. Indiscriminately calling Israel a "pariah nation", throwing at every opportunity will not get you there. This will only get resentment from the Israelis who will only become disgusted by being made a scapegoat for everything wrong happening in the Middle East and by the entities that embody their disgust .

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This is never going to stop, Bayard Sunday #1
More war crimes by a pariah nation. brush Sunday #2
Beat me to it, agreed. It is not antisemitic to call out the horror that the Israeli government is doing Cheezoholic Sunday #3
A reminder: Beastly Boy Sunday #5
Using that failed argument again, sheesh. Eko Sunday #8
You know, there is a whole lot of nuance between extremes Beastly Boy Sunday #9
it is a scale that determines each country's standing between "loved" and "pariah" Eko Sunday #10
No silly! GDP doesn't measure opinions! Measuring opinions is only good for determining the number of opinionated people Beastly Boy Sunday #11
I brought up GDP because it was literally your first reason. Eko Sunday #12
This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up. I linked to it. Beastly Boy Sunday #14
You literally typed it and posted it here. Eko Sunday #21
I did, didn't I? Beastly Boy Sunday #23
Forget? Eko Sunday #24
At the risk of repeating myself, Beastly Boy Sunday #26
So from your link exactly where did you get "in the top 15% on the economy" Eko Sunday #27
From my link: Beastly Boy Sunday #28
So, exactly as I said. GDP. Eko Sunday #29
I mean, you could have gone by polls to help prove your point but since they dont you didnt. Eko Sunday #13
I could have, but I didn't have to. Beastly Boy Sunday #15
Oh yeah, Eko Sunday #18
Feel free to update the list with more recent data. Beastly Boy Sunday #20
A jeeze you dare me? Do you double dog dare me? Eko Sunday #22
I did. And I did. And I did. Beastly Boy Sunday #25
Sure, sure, cause GDP shows how the world thinks of a country. You win. Eko Sunday #30
Here you go. Eko Monday #40
I thought it was past your bedtime. Eko Sunday #19
Please instruct on how to make criticism of Israel more nuanced and more accurate, not to mention more persuasive. PufPuf23 Sunday #16
Well, your post is one way of doing just that. Beastly Boy Sunday #17
Sorry, BB, it has to be obvious to you as it is to everyone else who is willing... brush Sunday #31
I dunno... are you sure I am winning? Beastly Boy Sunday #32
It's a new Nakba. Israel deserves better leadership. brush Sunday #33
Exactly. Beastly Boy Monday #34
Please. It's obvious the Netanyahu gov. wants to rid Gaza of all Palestinians. brush Monday #35
When youi are calling Israel a "pariah nation", you are specifically targeting the Jewish nation, not Beastly Boy Monday #36
My apologies, but why doesn't Israel kick his ass to the curb... brush Monday #37
Once again, a simplistic meme that avoids the complexities of what you are proposing. Beastly Boy Monday #38
I expect more than talkiing points from you. brush Monday #39
While this is also a simplistic proposition, I deplore the continued killing. Beastly Boy Tuesday #41
Pls, everyone knows Hamas started it. There is abandonment of two-state negotiations, breaking of the ceasefire and... brush Tuesday #42
There is a lot more to Hamas atrocities than starting the killings. Beastly Boy Tuesday #43
I've never denied or avoided acknowleging Hamas' atrocities. Instead of listing them chapter and verse over an over... brush Tuesday #44
You did. As recently as 12:24 pm today. Beastly Boy Tuesday #45
Pls. Saying everyone knows Hamas started it is... brush Tuesday #46
No, it's acknowledging one atrocity while remaining silent on the multitude of other atrocities. Beastly Boy Tuesday #47
Acknowledge Netanyahu/IDF atrocities. The deaths keep happening daily. brush Tuesday #48
I am absolutely able to see the bias in constantly deflecting from Hamas atrocities. Beastly Boy Tuesday #49
Not so. Atrocities have happene on both sides. brush Wednesday #50
Yet you never referred to Gaza as a "pariah nation". Beastly Boy Wednesday #53
Curious: there seem to have been no fatalities or injuries among the Hamas militants in Gaza. None. Beastly Boy Sunday #4
You heard it many times. Pariah nation. They can do nothing right except cease to exist AZLD4Candidate Sunday #6
Yeah, except when they release their own videos. Mosby Sunday #7
Shame on claudette Wednesday #51
Time to cut off Israel. Why the hell do we still support them? OrlandoDem2 Wednesday #52
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